QuoteA type of jump one gets from a defibrillator?Originally Posted by backtowalsall
I'm guessing the north will get a hell of a jump
Bring Back Belfast Celtic F.C.
A type of jump one gets from a defibrillator?
Few African games to play so nothing definite yet but currently we are up 3 places to 59th.
Northern Ireland up 31 places to 40th, Wales drop to 32nd, Scotland to 36th. England drop to 20th.
Better than flatlining to death maybe...
How you work that out joe? .... my maths are all over the place so
Here is what I have. Although FIFA's use a special brand of maths to calculate the rankings that don't always conform with reality.
A lot will change here before the rankings ever matter. By the time the draw comes round for the next World Cup Qualifiers the World Cup just gone will be worth only half points. I don't think England will have any problems in the end. Their ranking at the moment is low reflecting their awful World Cup, but as said, this will be less significant by next summer. The likes of Spain and Netherlands if they can't halt their run of bad form are more likely to slip into Pot 2.
For Ireland, I think we will improve. Gibraltar and German games didn't really help our rankings. (Gibraltar not recognised by FIFA). Results against the likes of Poland and Scotland will give us a good boost though. I do worry about our friendlies, against USA next month and England next year.
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Here's my workings swinfordfc.....
Rnk Old Rank Pts Old Pts New Pts Up/Down UEFA 1 1 Germany 1765 1669 0 1 2 2 Argentina 1631 1565 0 3 3 Colombia 1488 1420 0 4 5 Belgium 1444 1388 1 2 5 4 Netherlands 1456 1375 -1 3 6 6 Brazil 1291 1307 0 7 9 France 1202 1191 2 4 8 7 Uruguay 1243 1184 -1 9 11 Portugal 1150 1175 2 5 10 8 Spain 1228 1119 -2 6 11 13 Italy 1068 1064 2 7 12 10 Switzerland 1175 1063 -2 8 13 12 Chile 1100 1060 -1 14 19 Croatia 928 1002 5 9 15 20 Algeria 926 985 5 16 15 Costa Rica 988 974 -1 17 16 Mexico 963 954 -1 18 14 Greece 1052 946 -4 10 19 24 Ukraine 855 920 5 11 20 18 England 935 919 -2 12 21 22 Côte d'Ivoire 879 880 1 22 26 Romania 837 876 4 13 23 28 Czech Republic 812 870 5 14 24 17 USA 936 862 -7 25 40 Slovakia 616 861 15 15 26 25 Bosnia and Herzegovina 851 837 -1 16 27 21 Ecuador 889 826 -6 28 34 Iceland 646 816 6 17 29 39 Austria 622 810 10 18 30 23 Russia 875 792 -7 19 31 27 Denmark 833 763 -4 20 32 29 Wales 714 715 -3 21 33 31 Tunisia 701 697 -2 34 36 Senegal 645 687 2 35 53 Slovenia 555 683 18 22 36 29 Scotland 714 674 -7 23 37 32 Sweden 662 646 -5 24 38 33 Ghana 661 644 -5 39 37 Nigeria 642 625 -2 40 71 Northern Ireland 435 625 31 25 41 70 Poland 436 621 29 26 42 61 Egypt 513 615 19 43 64 Israel 498 615 21 27 44 34 Serbia 646 614 -10 28 45 38 Turkey 637 614 -7 29 46 48 Guinea 557 614 2 47 45 Albania 571 604 -2 30 48 41 Cape Verde Islands 604 600 -7 49 42 Cameroon 601 600 -7 50 86 Trinidad and Tobago 374 598 36
51 54 Hungary 548 561 3 31 52 44 Iran 572 560 -8 53 48 Japan 557 559 -5 54 47 Peru 563 558 -7 55 59 Mali 526 550 4 56 55 Panama 540 546 -1 57 67 South Africa 458 539 10 58 46 Bulgaria 570 532 -12 32 59 62 Republic of Ireland 506 519 3 33 60 48 Congo 557 515 -12 61 65 Finland 491 510 4 34 62 43 Montenegro 591 504 -19 35 63 58 Uzbekistan 530 498 -5 64 63 Korea Republic 501 496 -1 65 83 Gabon 392 482 18 66 76 Norway 421 481 10 36 67 56 Honduras 535 480 -11 68 80 Antigua and Barbuda 411 478 12 69 57 Guatemala 534 466 -12 70 48 Burkina Faso 557 463 -22 71 75 Sierra Leone 424 447 4 72 68 Libya 455 440 -4 73 69 Jordan 450 434 -4 74 52 Armenia 556 432 -22 37 75 60 Paraguay 514 423 -15 76 73 United Arab Emirates 430 413 -3 77 73 Congo DR 430 402 -4 78 79 Uganda 418 398 1 79 90 Iraq 357 393 11 80 72 El Salvador 431 392 -8 81 76 Oman 421 391 -5 82 66 Venezuela 476 388 -16 83 88 Zambia 365 381 5 84 78 Benin 420 375 -6 85 81 Estonia 403 369 -4 38 86 87 Morocco 371 369 1 87 96 Qatar 342 369 9 88 97 China PR 341 369 9 89 84 Australia 390 359 -5 90 93 Rwanda 349 356 3 91 85 Cyprus 388 348 -6 39 92 82 Saudi Arabia 402 341 -10 93 99 Latvia 333 340 6 40 94 91 Botswana 356 339 -3 95 92 Zimbabwe 353 332 -3 96 98 Malawi 340 311 2 97 94 Bolivia 346 310 -3 98 89 Belarus 364 301 -9 41 99 100 Jamaica 321 284 1 100 95 Azerbaijan 344 233 -5
That would have the pots for World Cup Qualification like this (only done to rank 100)
Pot 1 Pot 2 Pot 3 Pot 4 Pot 5 Germany Greece Russia Serbia Armenia Belgium Ukraine Denmark Turkey Estonia Netherlands England Wales Albania Cyprus France Romania Slovenia Hungary Latvia Portugal Czech Republic Scotland Bulgaria Belarus Spain Slovakia Sweden Republic of Ireland Italy Bosnia and Herzegovina Northern Ireland Finland Switzerland Iceland Poland Montenegro Croatia Austria Israel Norway
So quite a bit of work to do to get to pot 3.
Incidentally, this excellent site has done 10000 simulations and predicted what the pots will be
http://www.football-rankings.info/20...efa-10000.html
For Ireland it's
Pot 5
13 %
Pot 4
48%
Pot 3
34%
Pot 2
5%
Bloody hell Joe.
Aye, or being flattened...
Joe ...... you are the man! .... Thanks
Going by this ... we need to win in Scotland and win the USA game as well! (Scotland more importantly of course)
Looks like we will be in 61st position. Mmmmm would love a drink of Um Bongo for some reason.
http://www.football-rankings.info/20...view.html#more
It just goes to show what a crock of sh!t that World Cup draw that had Norway in Pot one was. They're below Finland and yet we're just above the Finns.
Also is this the first time we have been ranked below England, Wales, the IFA team and Scotland at the same time?
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Jesus H Christ I just wasn't aware things were so bad. There has been such a levelling in European football in recent years it's not funny. One 'off' result is going to be harmful to a lot of nations - but obviously a great start (such as the North's) can be a catapult. I checked the last few pages, but couldn't see a cut-off point, but the 2018 site is suggesting the end of July 2015 as when the draw will be made. That seems a little early for Europe but I guess it all has to be done at the same time to take into consideration Africa Asia and Oceania.
So that gives us USA, Scotland, Poland, Scotland, England to get up into Pot 3....double-Jesus.
13 spots for Uefa...surely they'll continue with 9 group winners, worst runner-up eliminated and then playoff between the remaining 8? It'll be hard to qualify for that.
Russia won't be counted, so that means Serbia move up into Pot 3 from the above list.
Funny that given ourselves and Scotland face each other and England, there is more than just euro 2016 at stake.
Of the current teams in Pot 4 ahead of us:
Montenegro have Russia twice and Sweden (they've been in poor form anyway, so they surely will drop a few places)
Albania have Serbia and Armenia - hard to see them maintaining their good form, also likely to drop places.
Hungary have Finland twice and Greece - (and the Fins are in pot 3 too) so one way or the other, someone is going to be susceptible to losing places.
From Pot 3 teams,
There are so many permutations to come, but looking at it objectively,
Israel have a horrid run of fixtures, and I can see them dropping down,
Iceland have the Czech's twice as well as the Kazakhs at the height of summer away;
Turkey though have the Kazakhs twice and Latvia;
Wales have Belgium twice and Israel, so despite their relatively good start, they should drop too;
Finland have Hungary twice, and the North;
Austria have the Russian's twice, and Liechtenstein; ;
Bulgaria have Malta twice and Italy - surely they're safe; ;
Slovakia unfortunately have Lux, and Macedonia twice, so they will surely stay pot 3.
All that is irrelevant though if we don't produce our own results. One win and a two draws from the competitive games and a win and a draw from the friendlies should see us very strong in Pot 3 - regardless of other results. And without a win and two draws in the comp games, we're in trouble anyway for 2016.
Does anyone here feel the FAI are aware of these permutations - or would they even care?
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So, should O'Neill and the FAI not have sought out easier friendlies? It's all well and good picking hard opposition to assess and improve your team but really we should have chosen teams we can beat, or even not play some games at all?
Well one thing that strikes me when looking at the Euro 2016 fixtures, is how many of the pot 3&4 teams played their easier matches first.....
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Good job the FAI had the foresight to frontload our campaign with the three group whipping boys.
UEFA sorted the fixtures for this campaign centrally.
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Good job the FAI had the foresight to instruct UEFA to sort the fixtures centrally.
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