Another way of seeing your highlighted text is that it gives balanced government reflecting a diverse and broad cross section of opinion which may possibly incorporate the best and brightest each grouping has to offer.Originally Posted by d f x-
Oh ...and where ethics of party A will at least be policed by the self-interests of party B.
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" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
You seem to be argueing for UK style first past the post. A system which, if introduced here, will probably mean Fianna Fail in power in perpetuity ...making them even more attractive to white collar gangsters on the make than they have been historically. How that's supposed to benefit the people of this country I don't know.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
It depends on whether the glass is half-full I suppose. Coalition can interact with each other, but when you have a clash like the Greens and FF I can only see constant arguments and policy changes..coalitions bring about 'the national interest'. When two parties are opposites they'll have to compromise on a fair few of the policies perhaps affecting the reasons why they were popular in the first place.
That we can't trust one party to run the country for corruption fears says more about the country than anyone could.
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Green Party and FF seal deal, bar leaders' signatures
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Theres one thing doing a deal for government but with 2/3 majority needed among Green members will it voted through?
I can't wait to see what the Greens in particular compromised on...
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Dan Boyle is the type that objects to policies without offering alternatives, and he just lost his seat in Cork. That answer your question?
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I thought Dan Boyle used to be a lecturer in CIT but his mycandidate.ie page says he was a former Community Youth Worker. Maybe I just linked Bishoipstown to the CIT. Hard to see in his background where he got his financial expertise but if Bertie is an Accountant...
His family have a Fianna Fail backgound, so maybe that explains his enthusiasm for coalition with the Soldiers of Destiny. What happens if this coalition takes place. Will all motorway construction stop immediately seeing as most commentators think the tree huggers will get the Environment portfolio and their policy is anti motorway.
Labour and Bertie have been very quiet during all these negotiations!!!!!.
Can't believe Fiannan Fail will go into coalition with a party whose policies would seem the anthithesis to a lot of their own policies. Can't believe the Green grassroots (pun) would encourage it to grow either.
Draft programme for government agreed but not announced.
Will go to a vote of Green Party members tomorrow.
Probably only members in the Greater Dublin area available to attend.
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A few thousand voters voted for 2 PD TD's, neither on first count. FF got 41% of the vote, do the maths. A party that loses so many seats as they did, are not in a position to govern the country.
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Except for the fact that a vote for FF was always a vote for the PD's, as they're essentially one and the same. I've no doubt that Bertie would've tried to keep the PD's on board even if it was a Labour coalition - doubt Labour would've bent so far over the desk as the greens have though...
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And FG with 27% are. if you use your logic 73% of voters did not want FG
...and Fianna Fail have no mandate to govern with 59% against them.And FG with 27% are
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Yes the people have spoken. Their elected representatives will have to go before them & justify their stance. A smart move by Bertie , making sure the Greens will find it hard to be part of a rainbow at the next election.
Politics isn't about absolutes. The Green Party took a decision that they could achieve more of their policy objectives in Government than not and as for Fianna Fail, everyone knows they would jump into bed with anyone to get the numbers.
Labour would have been equally difficult to swallow for FF based purely on policies.
What policies? Labour are only Fine Gael light and FG are only a slightly less dirty version of FF. The Greens are about to enter that parlour for a few crumbs.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
The logic is the Greens held onto their seats in the election. The PD's lost theirs, i.e. the Greens are in a better position than the PD's to rule the country as of now.And FG with 27% are
Given you support of what is generally considered, in todays Ireland, as extremist politics I can understand your view that they are all shades of the same colour.
However given the list of viable options, having the Greens in Government, with whatever influence they have, is at least worth a shot. Another 5 years off FF/PD plus a few mercenary independents with no interest in national issues was something to be avoided.
Time will tell what the Greens influence is, and they may fail miserably to exert influence, but at least they are trying advance their agenda.
Crossroads time for the Labour party, doubtful that they can regroup and go back to their roots enough, but at least they'll have that chance in opposition.
Greens can either deliver or they're fooked. They will be held up for scrutiny and attack from the opposition for the next 5 years as opposed to the cosy relationship they enjoyed up to the last election. Most Greens were essentially elected on Rainbow transfers, (Cuffe for example only over took Boyd-Barrett on FG transfers) something they won't have to the same extent next time.
There would also be a view that they, like the Labour Party to some extent, suffered at the last election as people couldn't trust them not to go in with FF - and ultimately people who didn't were right. Hence the Andrew Doyle FG gain as opposed to De Burca or Kelly in Wicklow for example.
Last edited by Macy; 13/06/2007 at 10:41 AM. Reason: spelling mistakes
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