FF & Green Party in Government
Sounds like they are some distance from agreement... What are the stumbling blocks? Has Trevor Sargeant requested Toyota Prius for all Ministers instead of Mercs?
Originally Posted by pete
Sounds like they are some distance from agreement... What are the stumbling blocks? Has Trevor Sargeant requested Toyota Prius for all Ministers instead of Mercs?
Very least he should be demanding. Maybe he wants all the bread in the canteen to be from Sonairte.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Posturing methinks.
However, if the Greens back out, it will be very significant.
It would be very tough for Rabitte or Howlin to then sign up.
A FF/Harney and Grealish / Independents government would nearly be as rocky as Endas proposed coalition.
Another election please.
This coalition government practice is ridiculous imo.
Last edited by Risteard; 08/06/2007 at 1:08 AM.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
the alternative is bipartisan politics, the plague of the Worlds Greatest Nation TM
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Or genuine PR like the North.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
The tree-huggers have quit the talks process, which means that because of our electoral system, we're back to where we started 5 weeks ago. Nowhere.
They wanted billions to "bring our education into the 21st century" yet they want to stop road building and keep many roads in the 18th century.
It wasn't enough for clever Trevor to save a rain forest by writing his notes on his hands!!!!
I am surprised a deal has not been done as FF don;t stand for anything so can make a deal with anyone. Its like they have any core principles unless you include corporate "donations/loans/gift grubs"
Right little Ogra meeting going on here.
Given a straight choice between money for roads or money for education (which I don't think is what anyone is advocating in any event) I'll plump for education every time ...and for sound economic reasons -not to suit my construction buddy clients.They wanted billions to "bring our education into the 21st century" yet they want to stop road building and keep many roads in the 18th century
...yeah we'd be better off with the UKs first past the post system. Fianna Fail or Fine Gael ...it's wide open.The tree-huggers have quit the talks process, which means that because of our electoral system, we're back to where we started 5 weeks ago. Nowhere.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
The real alternative is BohsPartisan politics!
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
The real alternative is BohsPartisan politics!
edit: isnt it strange, we can put in full videos and music, but not a simple picture?
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Well, at least it would be better than voting for a one party state.yeah we'd be better off with the UKs first past the post system. Fianna Fail or Fine Gael ...it's wide open.
1987: FF 1989: FF, 1992: FF,
1997: FF 2002: FF, 2007?? FF
There must be something seriously wrong with our election system, when the French and Germans know who's won after a couple of hours, and that after 5 weeks of electioneering, canvassing, begging, voting, counting, re-counting, and debating on a small island, we've got...
Nowhere.
Last edited by mypost; 09/06/2007 at 3:37 PM.
you understand a consistant government does not equal a one part state, right? should the other parties not bother turning up to the dail?Well, at least it would be better than voting for a one party state.
1987: FF 1989: FF, 1992: FF,
1997: FF 2002: FF, 2007?? FF
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Because of an untrustable voting system. I'll stick with paper and pencil if it's all the same. I can't trust it 100%, but I can trust it better than a computer system; and I'm no luddite, I actually know how computers work.
For someone so outspoken about political issues, you don't actually seem to understand the subject very well. Tying the timeliness of the vote with the time it takes to form a goverment is utterly nonsensical, for example.after 5 weeks of electioneering, canvassing, begging, voting, counting, re-counting, and debating on a small island, we've got Nowhere.
adam
Last edited by dahamsta; 09/06/2007 at 3:47 PM.
So we should bring in First Past the Post voting to reduce the chances of Fianna Fáil getting into government?
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Better still, do like ice hockey and when you get into Government, you aren't allowed to run next time.
There's the same chance of a computer affecting a vote, as a politician stealing votes in a paper ballot to get the result he needs. Our system is subject to re-counts, and results in changed seats.
€50 million of our money was spent on a system we're not allowed to use, so how did we punish the Minister responsible??
Vote him in again!!
Last edited by mypost; 10/06/2007 at 2:39 PM.
Do you see a stage where we can use electronic voting, it seems to make sence to me. What needs to be in the system for you to have faith in it?
I don't know what technological changes are ahead, so I can't comment on the future, only what's available right now; and the technology that's available right now can't be trusted. At all -- I don't agree with the majority of the anti-evoting lobby, who say that if the software and hardware specs are open, they can be reviewed and therefore the system can be secured*.
That's a very naive, academic point of view that doesn't cater for the source of the majority of fraud these days: social engineering. I absolutely guaranteee that I could walk into one of the locations where the eVoting machines are stored and walk out with one on a trolley. I absolutely guarantee that I could have walked into a polling station with it later.
Ballot box elections are open to this kind of fraud too, but you can't infect one ballot box from another. You can win a seat with a ballot box election, with difficulty. You can't win a government. Which is more important?
adam
* Which isn't the same as saying they shouldn't be open. Of course they should. Closed Government is the same as dictatorship, in my opinion.
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