Rugby World Cup

**sligoman** · 09/09/2007, 7:46 PM

Shocking result

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**OneRedArmy** · 09/09/2007, 7:58 PM

Absolutely awful from 1-15 (Hayes gets an honorable mention for his scrummaging).

The folly of giving O'Sullivan a new contract before the tournament is exposed, as expected.

Nobody can say they are surprised by tonights debacle as its a logical continuation of an awful preparation for the RWC.

Passing that Senior Cup kids would better, hands like teflon pans, anemic rucking, sloppy support running, loose kicking......every phase of the game was poor against a team of dirt-trackers.

Stan and Eddie are two peas in a pod.....

**Torn-Ado** · 09/09/2007, 8:00 PM

They're just like their footballing counterparts.

Sh*te.

**DvB** · 09/09/2007, 8:01 PM

TBH any thoughts of qualification from the group look a joke based on tonights performance, against the lowest ranked team in the tournament & with the strongest 15 available on the pitch there is just no excuse for the amount of basic errors, sheer lack of hunger & poor organisation on display, i cant describe how frustrated i feel right now, best not post much more until i calm down!!

**Torn-Ado** · 09/09/2007, 8:07 PM

O Gara is an extremely poor place kicker too.

**Schumi** · 09/09/2007, 8:10 PM

I didn't think anything could make the Slovakia game look good...

**Rovers fan** · 09/09/2007, 8:12 PM

absolutely pathetic, frustrating to watch. you would swear swear darcy and hickie had a wager to see who could drop the ball more times. no innovation in the backs, forwards were lacklustre and were out mauled. i said it months ago and this has strenghtend my view- we wont get out of our group.

**Risteard** · 09/09/2007, 8:13 PM

Originally Posted by DvB

against the lowest ranked team in the tournament & with the strongest 15 available on the pitch there is just no excuse for the amount of basic errors, sheer lack of hunger & poor organisation on display,

It makes sense to me.

**dfx-** · 09/09/2007, 8:24 PM

I don't think qualification is damaged other than the fans' confidence in it before the game. After Argentina's win, we really have to go and win all games to qualify and that hasn't changed. The performance was deplorable though...a genuine embarrassment..lucky it was Namibia.

Healthy enough win for South Africa..how did Scotland get on?

**pete** · 09/09/2007, 8:24 PM

Very poor preparation of for the tournament with only 1 game against Italy for the 1st choice team & maybe too little time to get it correct.

Ireland now need to beat both France & Argentina as will be very difficult to get through on points difference.

**Schumi** · 09/09/2007, 8:27 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

how did Scotland get on?

Laboured to a comfortable win.

**Soko** · 09/09/2007, 9:43 PM

Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

O Gara is an extremely poor place kicker too.

Sure.

**Flea** · 09/09/2007, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

O Gara is an extremely poor place kicker too.

Yes the team were bad, but this comment made me laugh. O'Gara is top class. The ball handling was pathetic, we got a try that wasnt a try, and I dont think anyone else will get caught out as easily again as the one Trimble scored. But the players wont need to be told it wasn't good enough.

**DvB** · 10/09/2007, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by Risteard

It makes sense to me.

Knowing the task facing us to qualify from what is easily (on paper) the toughest group, that team knew exactly what was required of them in this & the upcoming Georgia games to give ourselves the impetus to tackle the two heavyweights afterwards, to me it stank of a lack of professionalism that they produced such an all round poor performance!

In the second half to have only scored a try that clealry never was & penalty try against the worst team in the tournament is quite frankly unacceptable if this team has any ambitions of progressing!

Then again maybe we're just simply not as good a team as we thought we were & the poor attitude & application came through in last nights performance!

Personally i'm hopimng they realise the standard is unacceptable & they'll raise the bar for the next game, TBH its probably a good thing now its Georgia, i'd hate to be facing France or Argentina so soon!

**endabob1** · 10/09/2007, 8:52 AM

We peaked in March & we will be lucky to get out of the group, I certainly don't expect it.

**Dodge** · 10/09/2007, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Ireland now need to beat both France & Argentina as will be very difficult to get through on points difference.

If we beat France we'll be through. (Presuming everybody gets 5 point wins v Namibia and Georgia). Even France getting 2 bonus points in a defeat to Ireland will still see Ireland through

if we want to avoid New Zealand in the QF, we'll need to beat both. As was the case before Argentina beat France

**osarusan** · 10/09/2007, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Ireland now need to beat both France & Argentina as will be very difficult to get through on points difference.

It will all come down to bonus points.

If you score 4 or more tries, you get a bonus point.

If you win by 8 points or more, you get a bonus point.

We did both against Namibia, while France/Argentina did neither against each other.

We need to beat Argentina by more than 7 points, and if we lose to France, lose by less than 8. We need to score as many tries as they do, against us and other teams. Then aggregate points wont matter as we'll have an extra bonus point.

**Dodge** · 10/09/2007, 9:22 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

If you score 4 or more tries, you get a bonus point.

If you win by 8 points or more, you get a bonus point.

Thats wrong. You get a bonus point for scoring four tries or for losing by 7 or less. You don't get anything for winning by more than 8

Presume everyone gets 5 points v Namibia and Georgia.

If the three big games go as follows, we'll be through even if we lose heavily to Argentina

Arg v Fra (4 points to Arg, 1 point to Fra)
Ire v Fra (4 points to Ire, 2 points to Fra) - unlikely that Fra will score 4 tries and lose ti a team that don't score 4
Ire v Arg (5 points to Arg, 0 to Ireland)

**joeSoap** · 10/09/2007, 9:25 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

It will all come down to bonus points.

If you score 4 or more tries, you get a bonus point.

If you win by 8 points or more, you get a bonus point.

We did both against Namibia, while France/Argentina did neither against each other.

We need to beat Argentina by more than 7 points, and if we lose to France, lose by less than 8. We need to score as many tries as they do, against us and other teams. Then aggregate points wont matter as we'll have an extra bonus point.

You don't get a bonus point for winning by 8 points or more. You can only get a maximum of 5 points from every game-4 for winning and one bonus point for scoring 4 or more tries.

If you lose by 7 or less you get a bonus point.

Maximun points for winning a game-5. (4 for victory, plus 1 for 4 or more tries)
Maximum points for losing a game by 7 or less points-2. (1 for losing by 7 or less, 1 if you score 4 tries.
Maximum points for drawing a game-3. ( 2 for draw, and 1 for scoring 4 or more tries).

**osarusan** · 10/09/2007, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Thats wrong. You get a bonus point for scoring four tries or for losing by 7 or less. You don't get anything for winning by more than 8

Sorry, you're right, and Joe Soap too. That is what I meant actually-to deny Argentina a bonus point by winning by more than 7, while claiming that same bonus point against France should we lose, will be the crucial point.