QuoteHow can you say EL teams are of a similar standard to those teams in the first qualifying round of the CL, when we regularly beat them in that competition....?Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
The best way to compare LOI attendances is to compare them with other similar standard leagues eg Round one of the Champions League qualifiers.
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How can you say EL teams are of a similar standard to those teams in the first qualifying round of the CL, when we regularly beat them in that competition....?
In the eyes of UEFA you are a similar standard. Your Co-efficients suggest the same. Until you start from round 2 of the qualifiers you are classed in the same pool as amongst the worst in Europe. If you where better than that you would be starting in a higher group.How can you say EL teams are of a similar standard to those teams in the first qualifying round of the CL, when we regularly beat them in that competition....?
Although atleast your seeded amongst the worst in Europe.
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Have you actually looked at UEFA club rankings by country recently ?http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2007.html
We're ranked ahead of the likes of Poland, Austria, Serbia (incl Red Star, who knocked-out Cork), Norway and Croatia. So I'm delighted to hear you're officially acknowledging that our league is now better than all of those. Though, as the IL is listed 50th out of 52, I am somewhat surprised to hear you likewise state that the IL is only better than Andorra and San Marino ! And to hear that you finally accept the gulf between the EL and the IL is as big as 20th vs 50th. After all - if the coefficients are king, then that's the sceal....
With regards the seedings - the problem with that particular aspect of European ranking is that they're calculated on the basis of 5 year rolling average - which takes a long time to genuienly reflect recent league form. Our league has undoubtedly improved over the last 5 years - and over the last 3 in particular. Hence on the rolling co-efficient measure the EL is listed 35th, whilst Sweden is listed 25th - even though we've been putting their teams out of Europe consistently for the last 3 years now (Djurgardens, Malmo, Gothenborg). The earliest year included in current European seeding calculations (2002/3) was our worst year in Europe for some time. Assuming we can top that this year (not hard) we'll start to climb the seedings again to more closely reflect the current reality.
Finally - whilst our clubs may enter the very first stages in all European competitions, it should be noted that both Derry City and Shels do so as seeds in thiose draws. So even if you were right to claim we were down with the weakest leagues in Europe (which recent year's co-efficinets clear show we're not) then we'd at the least be top of those particular piles.
Have you actually looked at UEFA club rankings by country recently ?
We're ranked ahead of the likes of Poland, Austria, Serbia (incl Red Star, who knocked-out Cork), Norway and Croatia. So I'm delighted to hear you're officially acknowledging that our league is now better than all of those. Though, as the IL is listed 50th out of 52, I am somewhat surprised to hear you likewise state that the IL is only better than Andorra and San Marino ! And to hear that you finally accept the gulf between the EL and the IL is as big as 20th vs 50th. After all - if the coefficients are king, then that's the sceal....
With regards the seedings - the problem with that particular aspect of European ranking is that they're calculated on the basis of 5 year rolling average - which takes a long time to genuienly reflect recent league form. Our league has undoubtedly improved over the last 5 years - and over the last 3 in particular. Hence on the rolling co-efficient measure the EL is listed 35th, whilst Sweden is listed 25th - even though we've been putting their teams out of Europe consistently for the last 3 years now (Djurgardens, Malmo, Gothenborg). The earliest year included in current European seeding calculations (2002/3) was our worst year in Europe for some time. Assuming we can top that this year (not hard) we'll start to climb the seedings again to more closely reflect the current reality.
Finally - whilst our clubs may enter the very first stages in all European competitions, it should be noted that both Derry City and Shels do so as seeds in thiose draws. So even if you were right to claim we were down with the weakest leagues in Europe (which recent year's co-efficinets clear show we're not) then we'd at the least be top of those particular piles.
you re 35th in europe and we are 46th in europe by the proper co-efficients.
Sure you done very well this year, congratulations, but one one swallow doesn't make a summer though and yuo need to continue to build on that. I'll put a wager on the LOI being below 20th over 5 seasons, the period of time that really reflects the strength of ones league. Every season one country or another over achieves, so don't get on your high horse just yet.
Once you are able to do what you did last season every season, then I will tip my hat and say well done you are just a mediocre league in Europe.
EDIT: Incidently we where 48th not 50th as the teams above us had exactly the same points.
Last edited by Steve Bruce; 15/05/2007 at 1:22 PM. Reason: A correction
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That's Ridiculous
Just looking at that website, 10 years ago Northern Ireland where ahead in the co-efficients and it was 2000 when the LOI overtook us. In the last 3 years you have made good progress but before that you fluxuated between good and bad years.
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He is basing his arguement that the LOI isn't amongst the worst in Europe by one season of good fortune.That's Ridiculous
Poland, is a better standard
Serbia is a better standard(Red Star would stuff any team on this island)
And there are many more better leagues than the LOI. Last season wont be repeated this season.
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Stop living in the past. Sure - 85 years ago we were all one big league. Let's go back to that then, given howe much you love the past....
Interesting that your next post after this one basically admits that you hadn't actually looked at the figures on that site in any detail, to see that we have been improving consistently over the last number of seasons......
Comical abuse from a fan of the Irish League ! LMAO - for everything else in life, there's Mastercard........
What you on about now? I was maknig an observation, where in that post did I make any sort of arguement? You fool.
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No I wasn't
This year will see us rise in the rankings - regardless of whether or not we repeat the 2006 results. Next year will hoopefully also see us rise again further, as the older results get replaced by ongoing better ones.
You're just grasping at straws to knock what is clearly a league on the rise through the European ranks. We won't be challenging Spain for top spot any day soon, but neither will we be able to see the Irish league in our rear view mirror any longer....
You have improved in the last 3 seasons, but we'll see for how long, you will hit a plateau and you'll find your level around the 30 mark in europe(give or take a place or two)Interesting that your next post after this one basically admits that you hadn't actually looked at the figures on that site in any detail, to see that we have been improving consistently over the last number of seasons......
Comical abuse from a fan of the Irish League ! LMAO - for everything else in life, there's Mastercard........
You think your better than Poland
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Where did I say that ?You think your better than Poland
I was just making "an observation" re the 2006/7 co-efficients.....
Hey Steve. Are you in the London Derry City supporters clubs. I was with those guys for the game in Gothenburg.Where did I say that ?
I was just making "an observation" re the 2006/7 co-efficients.....
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
I am Torn. Were you in the Dubliner or at the game ?
Why keep bring the Irish League into it? Who is arguing about that? Where have I said anything about it?No I wasn't
This year will see us rise in the rankings - regardless of whether or not we repeat the 2006 results. Next year will hoopefully also see us rise again further, as the older results get replaced by ongoing better ones.
You're just grasping at straws to knock what is clearly a league on the rise through the European ranks. We won't be challenging Spain for top spot any day soon, but neither will we be able to see the Irish league in our rear view mirror any longer....
You will increase your ranking because 5 years ago you had a shocking rating (which incidently is better than ours last season, but even last season was bad for IL standards) and you should increase your rating again next season. It is the season after that when your bigger scores start getting whiped out. Your standard is around the 1.500 mark. Which is pretty good, anything above that you are doing well.
If you do start getting consistantly over 2,000 then I'll tip my hat to you.
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When you classed the LOI as 20th best in Europe ahead of the likes of Poland, which kinda gives that indication, when actual fact you are miles behind poland who has obviously underachieved in the season gone past.
DCFCSteve, I'm not interested in arguing with idiots like you.
LOI is a very average league and well done it has a higher standard than IL. Hope that makes you sleep better at night
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I was at the game with you guys...and in the Dubliners.Which one are you? There was about five of you I think.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
I'm the good looking one...... !I was at the game with you guys...and in the Dubliners.
I was the tall guy with the short hair (alright - balding....!). Were you in an IFK top ?
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