Scientology on Panorama

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 9:52 AM

did anyone see this last night? I had checked it out on youtube yesterday and then had watched panorama. Anyone on this board a "follower" of scientology?scary stuff!

Did anyone notice the shawn losendale ( sp? ) what was the writing on his cap saying? something Irish though couldn't make it out.

DONT MESS WITH SCIENTOLOGISTS!!!!

thats the moral of the story.

**jebus** · 15/05/2007, 10:01 AM

Good entertainment, but as a piece of investigative journalism it was pretty poor. All we learned is that scientologists are scary people, and that L.Ron Hubbard was a bit of a nutjob (goodish writer though I might add). Plus the Panorama reporter kinda blew the whole thing by losing his head with them at the end.

All in all it told me what I already knew, stay away from those wackos. Such a shame people like Juliette Lewis and Beck are scientologists though

**shakermaker1982** · 15/05/2007, 10:02 AM

very scary but funny in places.

**cheifo** · 15/05/2007, 10:03 AM

I remember Time Magazine did a huge expose on this shower years back.Scary stuff.Its one of their commandmendts that people who publicly question their beleifs should be harrased.These alien Lizards are very defensive

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**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 10:13 AM

makes sense beck is, crap musician and a weirdo

"fair game" is waht they are called cheifo. John sweeney said, he was constantly followed by 13 strangers, one of which arrived at his wedding!!! In fairness if you had that over 7 days constantly i think you would eventually blow your top, which is what they wanted and it worked. He even said in his hotel at night he would hear people walking past the door and stopping. Creepy or what. Have to say it would be fun for a while ( to see if you could out-wit them ), but then would really be scary.

I think in the journalists defence, he wasnt able do anything. He was so closely monitored that he couldnt dig anywhere at all. I mean the toiled thing, he couldnt dig anyway deep. Also the fact that they have a "celebrity centre" speaks volumes. Did ye notice how they werent allowed show anything that was said? Again another example of road-blocks in his pursuit to uncover the truth about them.

Did anyone think that Tommy Davis guy was a cross between ed norton ( fight club and american history x ) and tom cruise?

**jebus** · 15/05/2007, 10:17 AM

What I was wondering is how they stop members that have quit from releasing information on their practices legally. I thought it was funny when he questioned their whole 'we were sent here after being exiled by a warlord from outer space' thing, thatthe celebrities didn't know where to look

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 10:22 AM

what do you mean jebus? as though they were completely unaware of it? In fairness the tommy davis guy told him that no one beleived that so I think it was irrelevant to bring that up....

**jebus** · 15/05/2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

what do you mean jebus? as though they were completely unaware of it? In fairness the tommy davis guy told him that no one beleived that so I think it was irrelevant to bring that up....

Not that they were unaware of it, just that they seemed unwilling to talk about it, fair enough they don't believe it now, but shouldn't they be able to joke about it then? Kinda like some Catholics do about Purgatory?

**gustavo** · 15/05/2007, 10:33 AM

summary of scientology

**Dodge** · 15/05/2007, 10:33 AM

Anyone remember a debate on scientolgy on the old late late show (when gay byrne presented it and knew how to mix serious and light hearted segments...)?

Scared the bejesus out of me at the time and I've never trusted scientologists since. Apparently Jenna Elfman (of Dharma & Greg and various poor films) is the arch-scientologists and her blog is ultimate propanganda. Read it once and swore I'd never read it again.

BBC guy losing it was hilarious

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 10:41 AM

it was, but did ye see how even though he lost it, he calmed and asked "do you understand?" "do you understand me?" in the middle of it before he went off again on one, as though he was completely being manipulated. When someone loses it ( if they are "controlling" themselves ) they cant just turn it off and on. Its as though they were controlling how he was reacting.

**razor** · 15/05/2007, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Anyone remember a debate on scientolgy on the old late late show (when gay byrne presented it and knew how to mix serious and light hearted segments...)?

Do I what?
"Church" versus the guys family, spotted a guy from work in Row 2, turned out it was about him,

He was involved in the church and was giving them all his money and the family were trying to get him out. He moved to the US after and heard no more about him. He was a quiet, vulnerable chap, seems to be their type.

Why would the Scientologists behave in such an aggressive, protective manner if they didn't have something to hide?
and don't mention the word "cult".

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 10:46 AM

where is tom cruise if he isnt in the closet? i didnt see that one?

**John83** · 15/05/2007, 10:46 AM

Slashdot had an interesting discussion on this story. I recommend it - there are a number of good comments. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/14/0425209

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 10:48 AM

ya cult is like the celtic word on this forum

actually razor, the first thing you do is an IQ test, they pick people who can be manipulated and who can manipulate, but also who are actually quite forceful when needs be - not necessarliy quite people, moreso vulnerable people:
http://www.imagination-institute.com...2001_paper.htm

**razor** · 15/05/2007, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

not necessarliy quite people, moreso vulnerable people:

Might explain why they've so many celebs on board.
So you have to a test to get in?
Last nights show is online now here

**John83** · 15/05/2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by razor

Might explain why they've so many celebs on board.
So you have to a test to get in?
Last nights show is online now here

They are alleged to target celebrities and up and coming stars because they value the marketing power they bring.
The way I've always heard it is that they offer people a free personality test, which would certainly put them in the position to target the vulnerable, and give them leverage to manipulate them.

**Jerry The Saint** · 15/05/2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

where is tom cruise if he isnt in the closet? i didnt see that one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped...29#Controversy

the episode ends with the credits listing only "John Smith" and "Jane Smith", a reference to the Church of Scientology's reputation for litigiousness

**Dodge** · 15/05/2007, 12:24 PM

Seen that episode. Made me laugh. Funnily enough I was actually doing abit of reading on scientology recently. I didn't know that place on Abbey Street that was askng me did I want to do a "personality test" all the time was a scientology place...

**paul_oshea** · 15/05/2007, 12:39 PM

Saw Dodge

so was I actually, its funny how this programme then appeared all of a sudden. Did anyone read the piece by John Travolta which he sent to the BBC? It was brilliant, completely manipulated the facts, but brilliant all the same, very cunning.