QuoteThe evidence is probably all over his Bebo page
The ring leaders never are!Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
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The evidence is probably all over his Bebo page
> The board issued a statement on the website, what more do you want .
The statement was a joke. Denied it was Drogs fans, so they must know who done it, will the cops be following up, are arrests pending, dont think so!
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OneRedArmy:
'What do you want people to do?'
At this stage I couldn’t care less. I’m more annoyed with myself for getting annoyed about lies and snide remarks about Rovers when I should know better.
'I don't really see the value in Drogheda making an apology, its actions that are needed to stop this kind of thing, and its action by the Gardai as its clearly a public order issue.'
Agreed. The cops are clueless and, in my experience, cause more problems (which I presume is what you mean by your opening remark about us ‘blaming’ the gendarmes) and should get proper training instead of doing nothing or going into robocop mode. But the problem with DUFC wasn't the attack on the bus (which was bad enough), but their immediate reaction to it. They were less than apathetic to our plight and that will not be forgotten in a hurry. Sure we’re only Rovers scum, eh?
'I may be wrong but you've stated elsewhere that you like your football "with an edge to it". When football has an edge to it, it invariably spills over into incidences like this, from time to time. You can't have your cake and eat it.'
Love the edge, but hate violence and so I’d disagree with you. I’d never stone a team bus or attack fans so why should anyone else do so, or be allowed to do so? Our players (and supporters) have a right to safe passage and the Gardai have a duty to protect them.
For God's sake will you give it a rest?
I have no interest in taking away your day in the sun as the wronged party, but can it just be pointed out once again that this has nothing in common with the abuse that Webb got during a match from a banned Rovers fan inside Tolka, please? This is common-or-garden around-the-ground schooliganism that all clubs have a problem with, that was happening (with Bohs in particular) since the start of the season and looked almost like overshadowing the new league. (It was against this backdrop that decent football people still went extra-specially mental over the Webb abuse. Does that not strike you as strange? And it wasn't just because it was Rovers, although you're probably convinced it was.)
I've no doubt that one happy day some banned fan of some other club will reduce one of your players to tears over a deceased relative during a match in exact parallel to what happened to Webb; then you can all have a field day poring over the reaction of the board in question, and you can have all the caniptions and fainting-fits you want if and when the KOH legal team find any deviation from the definitive moral paradigm set down by the Rovers board in their sage and landmark judgement.
But for the moment the shoe is on the other foot my hole, it's more like the glove is on the other ear or something.
What happened was a disgrace, no matter what ground it happens at. I also think that it is in the best interest of public saftey that there is a Garda presence at any area where there is a higher risk of trouble, the away fans bus and the team bus I would put into that classification.
Last edited by Dricky; 10/05/2007 at 1:08 PM.
It's only just begun...............
If the last 21 years were class, here's looking forward to the next 21 years. It is our time
one thing springs out in relation to both the dundalk and drogs incidence they both could have been avoided with just a little better planning by ground security ..also well said oriel
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just to change tack slightly ground security plans need to be checked and upgraded to include the immediate area rounding the ground car parks etc as this seems to be the main area for potential trouble and not good enough for clubs to say its ot our problem.. if you invite people and take there money you at least have a moral obligation to see they leave safely by making sure opposing fans should not meet outside if possible
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That's as unlikely a quartet of scheming, rampaging Rovers fans as Dodge is ever likely to createOf the 4 mentioned one of them would be 'doing his own thing'.....trust me!
Koh
The Model Club
Tell all the Bohs you know
that we've gone and won two-in-a-row
and it's not gonna be three
and it's not gonna be four
it's more likely to be 5-1.
I know I shouldnt bother replying to that random rant, but no-one is comparing the incidents. Whaat is noteworthy here is the fact that the Drogs board were feeding things to the press 2 weeks ago after Webbgate and when the inevitible happened in their place were nowhere to be seen, to the point where they denied against all the evidence that these guys were at the game.
Their inaction has to be taken in the context of the level of reaction they demanded from Rovers 2 weeks previously.
The thing is it didn't happen "in their place", it happended away from Utd park, only a stone's throw (excuse the pun) but as was said earlier in the thread it did not happen within the ground (as the Webb incident did, and I don't think a comparison can be made about the two incidents IMO). I think if SRFC have a problem it has to be directed at the State's Guardians Of Peace. There has been trouble after games in Drogheda before involving Bohs and has been mentioned other Dublin Clubs but all outside the confines of United Park. There has also been trouble OUTSIDE of other Club's grounds and the Clubs themselves are powerless to do anything about it....for me it's a public order problem. Is each club now to ask everyone to stay until the final whistle and then ask them what their intentions are after the game....as I see it, it's the only way the Clubs can stop and be held responsible for this sort of anti-social behaviour.
if clubs cant gaurentee the safe exiting of people from stadiums and the peace of local residents in close proxcimity to grounds then we will end up with the law imposeing more restrictions and added costs for policing to clubs and then clubs will be held rsponsible for what happens outside its ground,.. financially a least again all im saying is it should take is the same level of policing/stewarding/security in the immiedate area around grounds..if these thugs cant met close to the grounds they generally drift back to there caves
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Fair point but a club can't be expected to ensure the safety of someone once they leave the ground. If the team bus and supporters buses were parked off site there should have been some sort of Garda presence in the area.
How can clubs possibly police the area outside their ground. Thats like trying to enforce nightclubs to stop the fighting that occurs in every large town in Ireland after kicking out time at the weekends. It really is the guards responsibility to stop trouble outside the games. Billy Lord made a good point when he said its "clearly a public order issue" And that the guards need proper training. The clubs seem to have made significant problems to stop trouble inside the grounds its just outside of the grounds that is the problem now and this should be dealt with by the guards with the clubs offering any assistance they need.
I'm just saying that this kind of stupidity is inevitable. It forms part of the attraction to the game for certain people. Some gob****e rents 'Green Street' (about the West Ham firm) from extravision and gets inspired to kick heads in on friday night.
If Drogheda refused to help Rovers out after the match thats obviously disgraceful. They also claim that the people who broke the windows hadn't gone to the game and weren't Drogheda supporters. That means nothing really they are still responsible because if there was no game there would have been no windows broken on any bus. The event they were running and what happened after the game are obviously linked
very wrong louth4sam go to english clubs and see how much they are held acountable for the people visitng there ground and if they are not capable then the authorities wil do one of the following
a. saturate the area with cops and bill the club.
b. take away the clubs right to hold big games.
and i dont mean a mile away from the ground but within the general area of the ground and if you cant do that the local residents can object to you holding major events.
as for your analigy about a person leaving bars or nightclubs you have a legal obligation to ensure that the person leaving your premises is not going out to to a dangerous enviroment..again the immidate area.
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Guys - couple of quick things
Firstly - just so you know - mickdlk has been binned for a week on the back of several things mainly highlighted in here.
Secondly - this is a recurring thing running this season - I'm thinking of starting a book on which club will get the thread the following week.
Unfortunately - it seems to have reached such a level of stuff happening that it gets publicised (frigging B*bo needs shutting down in my opinion), posted and commented on. No sleight on 99% of the contributors on here - but one thing myself and everyone else would ask is if you do highlight something - at least have it's details factually correct. Hearsay and rumour are two bad bedfellows (much like Paris Hilton and a video camera)
Finally - these threads do have one useful purpose on the majority - it encourages sane and sensible (95% of the time anyway) discussion on the matter - as well as making us confront the issues at hand.
I will not move threads like this as such to the bin as a whole - if it does get stupid then the posts in question will be removed. If you feel something has gone too far then simply report the posts - it helps myself and the rest of us out a lot if we have missed something.
I can see the day where eircom League Weekly has a "Ruck of the Month" Competition with first prize being tickets to the next big boxing bout...
Kom Igen, FCK...
Agreed. What happened in Drogheda was much worse than one idiot shouting abuse at a player.To even compare this to the simon webb incident is pathetic
Agreed and thats what i meant by assisting the guards. But apart from keeping away supporters in the stadium 15minutes after the game and good segregation what more can clubs do? Most clubs dont have or can afford a good cctv system both inside and outside their ground so its difficult to pick out individuals that are causing trouble.
If any person is identified i believe that they should receive a banning order from all grounds, a collective restraining order if you will. This can be temporary or permanent depending on the case. If said individual is found in or in the vicinity of any ground they can be arrested. It would demonstrate cooperation between the clubs in the battle to alleviate crowd trouble
Wouldnt be daft if drogheda officials and some of thier fans didnt bury their heads in the sand.
Are Drogheda turning into the new Shelbourne?
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