Abortion case.

**BohsPartisan** · 04/05/2007, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

Normally i am against abortion and i dont think this "its a womans body she cant be told what to do" holds any water . But in a few cases its for the best .

Abortions happen anyway. Might as well legalise them and make them safe in conjunction with free contraception and real sex education.

**pete** · 04/05/2007, 10:38 AM

For what its worth I think all the politicians are afraid of Abortion Referendums as they can't win. I also think as a Nation we are immature if having situations where its only legal if suicidal. If the country had any maturity we would just legalise Abortion & get on with life like the rest of the planet. If women are going to travel to the Uk they may as well get it done closer to home.

**WeAreRovers** · 04/05/2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by pete

For what its worth I think all the politicians are afraid of Abortion Referendums as they can't win. I also think as a Nation we are immature if having situations where its only legal if suicidal. If the country had any maturity we would just legalise Abortion & get on with life like the rest of the planet. If women are going to travel to the Uk they may as well get it done closer to home.

Amen.

KOH

**dahamsta** · 04/05/2007, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

The issue for the HSE is that IMO whilst they fully intend to allow her to travel they feel it best to have the issues involved tested in the courts.

If that's the case then I can completely understand their reasoning, but why am I hearing it from someone on a message board. Who are they using for PR, Gerald Ratner?

**jebus** · 04/05/2007, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

Normally i am against abortion and i dont think this "its a womans body she cant be told what to do" holds any water . But in a few cases its for the best .

So personal civil liberties hold no sway in this discussion? I think 'it's a womans body she can't be told what to do' is the main argument to be honest

**dahamsta** · 04/05/2007, 11:03 AM

Keep this thread strictly on topic please. If you want to have a general discussion on abortion, start another thread. And that had better stay civil too.

**jebus** · 04/05/2007, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

Keep this thread strictly on topic please. If you want to have a general discussion on abortion, start another thread. And that had better stay civil too.

In fairness I think it will be impossible to discuss this case without occasionally straying into the grand picture of whether abortion should be legalised here, and if so, why should it be

**dahamsta** · 04/05/2007, 11:27 AM

In fairness, I just told ye not to, and gave ye a way of straying into the "grand picture" without going off-topic in this thread. So just do that please, and stop taking this thread even further off-topic.

**osarusan** · 04/05/2007, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by GavinZac

If the reason she's having an abortion is that the child is going to die... and the irish legal system insists that this child has rights the same as any of us, it would open a massive can of worms were she allowed to "terminate" (don't know why the media has stopped saying abort, both words mean the same thing) on that basis. You could have a euthanasia case call the "Miss D" case as precedent.

But she wouldnt have the abortion in Ireland, so I dont think the case could be used as a precedent for an eathanasia case. The legal system would be stopping her from visiting a country where she will not ommit a crime of any kind, according to that country's legal system.

I dont think the government is entitled to do that.

**anto1208** · 04/05/2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

So personal civil liberties hold no sway in this discussion? I think 'it's a womans body she can't be told what to do' is the main argument to be honest

See new topic ....pretty much ends this thread since every one agrees she should be aloud to travel . And they where saying yesterday its in the law that she is aloud to have it here .

**anto1208** · 04/05/2007, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

In fairness, I just told ye not to, and gave ye a way of straying into the "grand picture" without going off-topic in this thread. So just do that please, and stop taking this thread even further off-topic.

Looks like we cant do that either ??

**gilberto_eire** · 04/05/2007, 2:34 PM

in fairness its murder anyway and she should just give the child the right to the few days which is better then nothing to have....anyway she like all the others who travel over to have one should have kept there legs closed in the 1st place!..... its plain murder in my eyes just because you cant see the baby dont mean its not there, it should be outlawd everywhere!.

**osarusan** · 04/05/2007, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

in fairness its murder anyway and she should just give the child the right to the few days which is better then nothing to have....anyway she like all the others who travel over to have one should have kept there legs closed in the 1st place!..... its plain murder in my eyes just because you cant see the baby dont mean its not there, it should be outlawd everywhere!.

Oh my God...................

**gilberto_eire** · 04/05/2007, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Oh my God...................

what!!

**dahamsta** · 04/05/2007, 8:38 PM

Originally Posted by anto1208

Looks like we cant do that either ??

You can't anto1208. It looks like you can't. If you had been willing to debate maturely and not stoop to the kind of mindless commentary I would expect from the religious right in the US, we'd still be having this debate. The thread was locked because of you, and just you.

This thread was locked because of gilberto_eire, and just gilberto_eire. And rightly so. The child doesn't have a brain, ffs.