Highest Premier Division Wage budget

**passerrby** · 02/05/2007, 9:11 AM

does the income v expenditure cap (65% i think) that was touted by the fai come into play next season

**Macy** · 02/05/2007, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by passerrby

does the income v expenditure cap (65% i think) that was touted by the fai come into play next season

The FAI bottled it and will allow donations as part of the income calculation, so it won't be effective.

**Ronnie** · 02/05/2007, 9:33 AM

The PFAI do not insist on net wages, its their members who are always looking for it, even full time guys. And yes George in Cork said he was one of 4, I think, earning over 100k a year. Drogs will be fine once the guys are pumping the money in. The problem is most likely to rise when that stops and players still have 12 months or longer left on their contracts, ala Benito Carbone, Gary Kelly, and could prove very difficult to shift.

**Dodge** · 02/05/2007, 9:39 AM

Have the officially allowed donations (or director investment to give it its accountant friendly name) Macy? Up to a fewmonths ago, Pats were still seeking clarification from the FAI

**superfrank** · 02/05/2007, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Yes it was around �1.3m the season Kenny fu_cked up.

What are you talking about Gov money and what has it got to do with challenging?

My point was it's before Bohs got the money from the stadfium deal and that season was the one Bohs went out of the Intertoto to Ghent, Foley left in a sulk and in the end yez finished just inside the top half.

**Rossi** · 02/05/2007, 10:11 AM

unfortunately te cost of success is huge in this league Shels proved it and now it appears Drogs are aswell.But thats what is needed if the league is to do well in Europe and raise the profile of the league

**GavinZac** · 02/05/2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rossi

unfortunately te cost of success is huge in this league Shels proved it and now it appears Drogs are aswell.But thats what is needed if the league is to do well in Europe and raise the profile of the league

Clubs committing suicide is NOT whats needed. to the outside punter, 2 overspending eircom league clubs went belly up last year, that does nothing for our profile but lower it.

**LukeO** · 02/05/2007, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Celdrog

No - doesn't look like it. I also said it would be ready by November, never mind the end of the year. I was obviously incorrect. Pardon me for attempting to share what I thought was genuine info.

I never had a go at you for passing on information, just questioned your intelligence for actually believing it.

Now, I hate to be a **** and say "I told ya so"... but eh... I TOLD YA SO...

Originally Posted by Celdrog

How's Connor settling in? Screwing up royally like the Sligo fans predicted? With a massive wage budget as well!

Wouldn't have said he's screwed up... yet.

And if you look through anything I've said here or on our forum, you'll find I was never supportive of Connor getting the job, so our sluggish start to the season doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

If he had a budget of 2.4m I'm sure we'd be flying though...

**Steve Bruce** · 02/05/2007, 11:44 AM

I know it's not really LOI related, but the wage budget at Windsor going by last seasons budget was less than half a million sterling.

This season however we have 6 full-timers which we never had last season, so I would expect the budget to be over the half million mark. Although we do make a healthy profit(over a quarter of a million last season if i recall correctly) and i expect our turn over to be bigger again this season.

I'll know better on friday night when I go to the AGM. It is amazing though to see teams in the LOI have 3 or 4 times the budget of Linfield. Fair play if it's sustainable.

**paudie** · 02/05/2007, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

I know it's not really LOI related, but the wage budget at Windsor going by last seasons budget was less than half a million sterling.

This season however we have 6 full-timers which we never had last season, so I would expect the budget to be over the half million mark. Although we do make a healthy profit(over a quarter of a million last season if i recall correctly) and i expect our turn over to be bigger again this season.

I'll know better on friday night when I go to the AGM. It is amazing though to see teams in the LOI have 3 or 4 times the budget of Linfield. Fair play if it's sustainable.

No way is Drogs spending sustainable long term.
I got the 2005 accounts from the CRO and the accumulated losses in those accounts was over �1m. I have the exact figures at home and will post them tommorrow. The losses can only have increased since then.

Drogs future seems to be completely tied up with the housing development. Obviously they can sell United Park to pay their debts but then where will they play?

**paudie** · 02/05/2007, 12:27 PM

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This season however we have 6 full-timers which we never had last season, so I would expect the budget to be over the half million mark. Although we do make a healthy profit(over a quarter of a million last season if i recall correctly) and i expect our turn over to be bigger again this season.

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I presume SB that a lot of the profit comes from renting out WP for internationals/Cup finals.

Would you know how much that is?

**pineapple stu** · 02/05/2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

So we all imagined the players insisting on net pay contracts over the years? What about payslips and P60's? Did I miss the clamour of the PFAI demanding those too? I'd hope the current incumbent is more vocal than the previous one on issues like this - indeed hopefully it is part of the standard contract.

Do keep up Macy - look back to the foot.ie Q&A with Tony Mac and you'll see that he explicitly mentions in reply to pete's question on this very issue that they are looking for P60s and payslips, and don't see why clubs should be having a problem with this.

Drogheda are screwed; that's been known for a while.

**Stato** · 02/05/2007, 12:34 PM

Last season I heard that St Pats budget for player wages was around �900K. Up to the start of this season I believe it didn't change, even with the signing of Ndo, as they got rid of so much "dead wood". Presume it'll rocket upwards in the window though!

**Dodge** · 02/05/2007, 1:10 PM

It was just under 800k and it was the budget for players and all manager/trainer staff (all texes included)

Its the same this year as we hadn'y any setanta or european football when the budget was set

**Steve Bruce** · 02/05/2007, 2:14 PM

[QUOTE=paudie;677519][QUOTE=Steve Bruce;677464]
This season however we have 6 full-timers which we never had last season, so I would expect the budget to be over the half million mark. Although we do make a healthy profit(over a quarter of a million last season if i recall correctly) and i expect our turn over to be bigger again this season.

I presume SB that a lot of the profit comes from renting out WP for internationals/Cup finals.

Would you know how much that is?

We got �445k from Internationals. But you have to realise that Linfield pay the full expenses of every international game, so if you factor that out you would find we would break even or a slight profit.

Our AGM is this Friday, so I will have a more up to date accounts at Windsor, although I wont be disclosing any details on a public forum.

**OneRedArmy** · 02/05/2007, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Our AGM is this Friday, so I will have a more up to date accounts at Windsor, although I wont be disclosing any details on a public forum.

Why not?

Presumably its publicly available at Companies House.

I also find your suggestion that Linfield only break even on the international games as ridiculous. In this case, I'd sack whatever administrator negotiates with the IFA.

**Steve Bruce** · 02/05/2007, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Why not?

Presumably its publicly available at Companies House.

I also find your suggestion that Linfield only break even on the international games as ridiculous. In this case, I'd sack whatever administrator negotiates with the IFA.

No you've misinterpreted what I was saying.

If we never had the international revenue, Linfield would have broke even last season.

as in we received 445k but our expenses where around 200k so Linfield for the year would have broke even financially. But with the internationals we made a quarter million profit. I don't know if I have worded that well.

And I'm not sure if our balance sheet does appear in companies house. Linfield is a club made up with members, it's not a company. But I'm not sure if thats the way it is seen legally, I'm open for contradiction.

**BohsFans** · 02/05/2007, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

My point was it's before Bohs got the money from the stadfium deal and that season was the one Bohs went out of the Intertoto to Ghent, Foley left in a sulk and in the end yez finished just inside the top half.

What are you talking about?

Stadium deal back then?
The contracts have only just been signed which means the first payment will only be coming in around now.

The intertoto wasn't the �1.3m year, it was the year b4 that!

**Steve Bruce** · 02/05/2007, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

sure well enjoy it while it lasts then get advise off shels on how to manage

Coleraine FC would be a better team to ask. They managed to stay in the Premier League, wipe out there debts and still be mid table.

**superfrank** · 02/05/2007, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

on a more serious note i think the country is too small for professional sport to prosper.the way the irfu went is probably the best way.everyone is saying the drogs are screwed etc but if we are who will be next???and if were not well be around for a long time

Interesting point. I think it is big enough. Countries of similar sizes in Norway and Sweden support their leagues.

I think the only way forward for football on this island, is an all-Ireland league.