Election 2007

[Lionel Ritchie]

I said stereotype, which is obviously a contributing factor to the lack of any real investment in anything in limerick city, be it tourism or industry. I'm up in Limerick every week these days and my girlfriend lives there. Don't think I've ever bought an Irish Independent in my life, all i need to do is look at the empty spaces accumulating rubbish along the dock road.

The hits just keep on comin!!! There's probably a hotel bed for every inhabitant of Limerick by now. I haven't a clue where these people making a real investment in tourism are expecting the head count to come from but they keep opening new hotels -three in the last two months.

[Lim till i die]

That was my point.

So this:

Also, what you cannot discount is that whether or not 44k sounds inflated, we're still higher than any other country. It is this comparison, or rather, the comparison to where we were, that we have to make to decide whether or not we're better off as a people than we were.

Is your argument on wealth distribution??

Hilarious

I said stereotype

Here's what you said son:

Limerick's plight is self inflicted since its people are slaves to a stereotype they havent shown any signs of eradicating.

Not only missing my point entirely but making yourself look a bit silly into the bargain

all i need to do is look at the empty spaces accumulating rubbish along the dock road

Hilarious again. Limerick docks is unrecognisable from even ten years ago. Some areas haven't been developed yet but name me one docks in this country that's different??

You sir are either a spoofer or hilariously ill-informed

[Dodge]

What do you need a grant for? So you get a free education system PLUS €140 more than I get

Free education is joke for a start Gavin. I take it you havem't had to fork out for school fees, books, lab fees, "supplementary" course work, and the dozens of other things that secondary and college students (or more likely their parents) have to pay for

[OneRedArmy]

Who cares if it's correct? It may very well be, but as myself and Dahamsta have been saying, the national average is probably pushed up by the few who are making big money. The average person on the street earns less that 44k a year, of that I'm positive, so that statistic is misleading, if not false

Its a ****ing average, how can it be false? It does exactly what it says in the tin. Of course its pulled up by people making big money (and vice versa).

Take it up with the Oxford English dictionary if you don't like the description of the word average: a quantity, rating, or the like that represents or approximates an arithmetic mean.

You are probably looking for the modal or median value?

[jebus]

What do you need a grant for? So you get a free education system PLUS €140 more than I get, and you're complaining?

Because you have college tuition fees (anywhere from E650 onwards), to rent, to college books (some of those cost E80 each), to living expenses to pay. Again your upper-middle classness rises

The image of Limerick outside of the city is that it is a no-go area full of scumbags. By self inflicted, I mean I don't see much effort to lift this stereotypical image by your city council or by the people.

I'm sorry, but aside from organising festivals such as this weekend's Riverfest, having a low crime rate outside of the gang 'wars', inviting all and sundry to the city for Munster games, and then treating them very well, and just by not being scumbags, how are we supposed to reverse your stereotypes?

[Dodge]

Its a ****ing average, how can it be false?

In fairness we both know he meant the Govy using that figure (instead of the median for example) is misleading. No need to be so pedantioc about it

[jebus]

Its a ****ing average, how can it be false? It does exactly what it says in the tin. Of course its pulled up by people making big money (and vice versa).

Take it up with the Oxford English dictionary if you don't like the description of the word average: a quantity, rating, or the like that represents or approximates an arithmetic mean.

You are probably looking for the modal or median value?

Yeah...I said I don't care if its true or false, as its certainly misleading, that was pretty much my point there

[Lim till i die]

No, im not "racist" as jebus said. they live here, they buy the same stuff as us and they pay the same rent. Why can't an Irish person do the same?

LMAO, He's unreal lads

Think you'll find sonny that the vast majority come over for a few years to save up so they can have a good start back home due to prices (For the moment) being way cheaper in Poland. They do Ireland on the cheap. It really is very basic economics but I've no doubt it would soar like an eagle over your head so not even going to get into it

What do you need a grant for? So you get a free education system PLUS €140 more than I get, and you're complaining?

Yes I am.

It's nowhere near adequate

I could be on the dole earning four times as much

We don't all have a Mammy and/or Daddy to stump up for us

The image of Limerick outside of the city is that it is a no-go area full of scumbags.

A large part of the credit for this must go to intellectuals like yourself

By self inflicted, I mean I don't see much effort to lift this stereotypical image by your city council or by the people

Shur you don't see hotels or buildings by the docks or anything

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[GavinZac]

And I'm surprised that such an obvious upper-middle class Irishman such as yourself doesn't take his opinions from the Indo, I mean your comments about the Fianna Fail gravytrain, and the Limerick docklands area alone amkes me think that that rag is your number one source for information for the upcoming election

I'm upper middle class now? woohoo! I live in blackpool on the northside of cork, my dad's a sparky and my mam works in dunnes. I drive a 99 C toyota yaris with a slight bump on the front of it, and the only private school i've been inside was doing a job on the wiring. If that was upper middle class I'd be worried about what lower working class was!

I haven't a clue where these people making a real investment in tourism are expecting the head count to come from but they keep opening new hotels -three in the last two months.

Certainly not anyone reading the independant, right?

Free education is joke for a start Gavin. I take it you havem't had to fork out for school fees

nope

books

Nope, well, £30 a year on the book loan scheme.

lab fees

no?

"supplementary" course work

no

and the dozens of other things that secondary and college students (or more likely their parents) have to pay for

like goverment subsidised uniforms?

[OneRedArmy]

In fairness we both know he meant the Govy using that figure (instead of the median for example) is misleading. No need to be so pedantioc about it

I think we are in vehement agreement about the uselful of the figure, but it is what it is!

Its irrelevant in any case as it ignores geographical impact and many other factors.

Old story about the statistician drowing in a river that was one foot deep on average and all that.....

If people are gullible enough to get drawn in by the spin they deserve to be governed by whatever group of cowboys and clowns they elect. And unfortunately we have a history of making the same mistakes over and over again.

[Lim till i die]

I'm upper middle class now? woohoo! I live in blackpool on the northside of cork, my dad's a sparky and my mam works in dunnes. I drive a 99 C toyota yaris with a slight bump on the front of it, and the only private school i've been inside was doing a job on the wiring. If that was upper middle class I'd be worried about what lower working class was!

Does hilariously ill informed suit you better than upper middle class???

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[jebus]

I'm upper middle class now? woohoo! I live in blackpool on the northside of cork, my dad's a sparky and my mam works in dunnes

Well I suppose when Dunnes are forking out a cool 44k salary per person than you know this government is doing right? Seriously either you're lying about your mother working there, or all your points about this average 44k per person has been a waste of everyones time.

Oh and a big hello from someone living in Blackpool, North Cork too!

[GavinZac]

They do Ireland on the cheap.

It really is very basic economics but I've no doubt it would soar like an eagle over your head so not even going to get into it[/quote]In 5 weeks time I'll have a degree in it

Yes I am.

It's nowhere near adequate

I could be on the dole earning four times as much

We don't all have a Mammy and/or Daddy to stump up for us

Get a part time job in Dunnes like I did if you're not into free money

[Lim till i die]

In 5 weeks time I'll have a degree in it

So this:

Also, what you cannot discount is that whether or not 44k sounds inflated, we're still higher than any other country. It is this comparison, or rather, the comparison to where we were, that we have to make to decide whether or not we're better off as a people than we were.

Is your argument on wealth distribution??

And you can't see the difference between a Polish worker and an Irish one??

Sweet Jesus, they'll give a degree to any old spoofer

Get a part time job in Dunnes like I did if you're not into free money

Not that it's any of your business but my self employed dad has been rather sick with this long time so i've been helping him out in between my 40 hours a week or so of coursework.

BTW, If I'm a full time student and education is "free" why should I have to work to survive??


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[GavinZac]

Well I suppose when Dunnes are forking out a cool 44k salary per person than you know this government is doing right? Seriously either you're lying about your mother working there, or all your points about this average 44k per person has been a waste of everyones time.

Why would Dunnes be forking out 44k? My mothers an unskilled till operator, with free education in her day perhaps she could be a manager and a bit closer to that 44k.
Mind you, my mother, a mother returning to the work force, hardly represents the average person earning a living in Ireland and even so she's probably contributing more to the irish economy than that other lad complaining he's not getting enough free cash from the government.

Oh and a big hello from someone living in Blackpool, North Cork too!

Blackpool, North Cork? Is it anywhere near Buttevant?

[Lim till i die]

Mind you, my mother, a mother returning to the work force, hardly represents the average person earning a living in Ireland

What in your opinion is typical

Honest to God we're all dying to hear about the 44k earning "average" Joes

even so she's probably contributing more to the irish economy than that other lad complaining he's not getting enough free cash from the government.

Ouch, was that a dig at me

Couple of years down the line I'll be contributing big time though won't I?? Or have we stumbled upon another concept that brain of yours refuses to grasp??

Blackpool, North Cork? Is it anywhere near Buttevant?

ZING!!!!


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[GavinZac]

Is your argument on wealth distribution??

What in the name of god are you talking about? I was talking about an average not a distribution. If you want to come to me with a frequency distribution graph detailing where the bulk of irish people's incomes are, go ahead. All i've said about wealth distribution is that it must take soem amount of millionaires to skew our average to the highest in the world.

And you can't see the difference between a Polish worker and an Irish one??

Er, no. Well, I work with 5 of them and 3 plan on staying while the other two want to move to London as they miss "the big city". They have to wait til the male in the couple gets his degree here. What I can say is different is that the only thing they complain about is the smoking ban and speed limits.

Sweet Jesus, they'll give a degree to any old spoofer!

Y'era sure if it gets the multinationals in

BTW, If I'm a full time student and education is "free" why should I have to work to survive??

Would you prefer just having to pay the fees? Or perhaps the system in other places where you take out a massive loan and are crippled with debt for the first decade of your career? They'll pay to teach you and pay to house you for college but i doubt they'll feed you too If you went to a "free" event or collected a "free" product, would you also expect to be paid for it?

Never mind that there are courses where you actually DO get paid...

Ouch, was that a dig at me

Couple of years down the line I'll be contributing big time though won't I?? Or have we stumbled upon another concept that brain of yours refuses to grasp??

Yeah, it'll be great. Just think, if you hadn't free education, it probably wouldnt happen.

[Dodge]

How long before Gavin tries to say he was on a wind up? Oh dear oh dear oh dear

[jebus]

Why would Dunnes be forking out 44k? My mothers an unskilled till operator, with free education in her day perhaps she could be a manager and a bit closer to that 44k.
Mind you, my mother, a mother returning to the work force, hardly represents the average person earning a living in Ireland and even so she's probably contributing more to the irish economy than that other lad complaining he's not getting enough free cash from the government.

Much like the 44k per year per person your were quoting as a reason to re-elect Fianna Fail hardly represents the average person in Ireland

Blackpool, North Cork? Is it anywhere near Buttevant?

There's that famous Cork wit. Seriously though, you said a few posts back that you're going with the Socialist Party this year right? Judging by the difference in quality between your points and our resident socialist, BohsPartison, I'll assume you are going to vote for the Socialists because a pretty girl handed you a flyer one day. Am I right?

[GavinZac]

How long before Gavin tries to say he was on a wind up? Oh dear oh dear oh dear

Sure! I'm on a wind up, or I'm a gullible sheep, or an upper middle class snob wanting to keep my head above the unwashed masses. Also, I'm part of the majority of voters which will keep this government in power. Ce sera...