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No contradiction there. The Shinners have long moved into the washing powder centre of Politics.Originally Posted by finlma
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Oh I'm sure they probably will, the difference being that Fianna Fail have already done so, so if I'm given the choice between a Fine Gael/Labour/possibly Greens coalition I'll take that any day of the week over Fianna Fail's money grabbers and the PDs right wing scum
My 'crazy lefty' friend is correct. Watch how fast the Shinners drop all that lefty rhetoric as soon as they get a sniff of power.
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The problem I see with the set up ( much as it is wonderful to have so many parties when compared to the US or UK ) is that it is unlikely that the smaller parties such as Sinn Féin, The Greens or The Socialist Party are likely to form part of a rainbow coalition with any of the main parties ( FF, FG and Labour ). This is quite a dilemma indeed.
I haven't heard much in the way of policies from them except what relates to 'The North'. Feel free to enlighten us.
I don't know, the Greens and Sinn Fein are polling as well as the PDs (probably better come election time) and they are in power at the moment
1. They have already dropped the Socialist tag from they're official material (Ógra still use it AFAIK).
2. The new breed of Shinners like Mary Lou and Eoin O Broinn (spelling?) come accross very much like the FF of old, dismiss talk of "socialist" politics and place themselves firmly in the centre, like FF without the planning corruption (yet).
3. The stated willingness to go into coalition with FF and all the compromises that go with that.
4. Their actions in the northern assembly carrying out anti-worker policies such as Martin McGuinness refusing to give holiday pay to term time workers and applying PPP's to the education sector. and Barbera De Bruin presiding over hospital closures.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
at the moment, Fianna Fail would get my vote, but I'm open to listening to the alternative(s). I'm vting for FF probably because the alternatives haven't convinced me of being a better option yet. ( i bet there are lots of others thinking the same too)
Would possilby like to see a coalition between FF, Greens and Labour
Yeah, there isn't a hope of finding a better collection of thieves, liars and incompetents than the one we have at the moment. Fianna Fail have the genre sewn up.
Yet there winning this poll.
Also why do people have such a strong dislike for the PD's?Just curious to know....
And what issues are people going to vote for/against respective Parties?
The abolition of the Irish language as cumpolsory at LC Level has made me strongly anti Fine Gael...they won't be getting one vote off me.
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Basically I'm looking for the party that talks the best talk in regards to raising the standard of living amongst the working class, not Bertie's Dublin friends. I'm looking at who is offering more in regards to schooling, minimum wage, health benefits and unemployment benefits, plus I am very much against the re-inroduction of college fees, as proposed by Fianna Fail. Outside of that my other concerns are enviromental issues, Ireland's transport system and on Ireland's stance on the ongoing War on Terror (I don't think we can class ourselves as neutral anymore). So basically if Fine Gael/Labour and the Greens form a coalition, then thats what I'm looking for.
As for the PDs, well its hard to express how much they would love to abolish personal freedom if given the chance, but look up any of the Tanaiste's speeches and you'll see what kind of card-carrying fascist he is. Plus I can't understand how the PDs, a less popular party than the Greens or Sinn Fein hold two key government positions, whilst polling as low as they do
as much as i hate FF, have the opposition of FG and Lab done enough to have a chance in power, have they attacked FF throughout the last few years, i dont think they have, so i dont think they deserve a chance in power
The PDs have such undue influence as they had what FF needed to form a Government.
A combination of their falling popularity (take a bow Mr. McDowell) & FF losing seats/FG needing a bigger coalition partner means they are unlikely to be anywhere near Government this time around.
I`m actually quite excited at the thoughts of Labour & Greens in Government, regardless of who the senior partner is.
Watching the Dail on TV (as I occasionally do), I have to say, the only TD I jave noticed, that gives the Taoseach a hard time, is Joe Higgins, the Dublin West TD.. he always seems to hit a nerve, and it makes for good debate in the chamber
He is Socialist Party IIRC
The Shinners will not be the same down South as they are up here in Northern Ireland.. they can't be as the two countries are Governed differently... also, the Shinners have a hell of a lot more power in the NI Assembly, and with that, have to please the majority of both sides.
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Sinn Fein haven't been left wing in a long time. More's the pity...
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That's because they are old FF. Mary Lou jumped ship from FF for example.
Profit is their king, they don't show anything that they actually care about the people. Privatisation of anything that moves; cementing the two teir health service with state land; state of the health service in general; robbing money off the intellectually disabled; constant attempts to reduce workers rights; tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the poor; pride in a regressive tax system; pride in tax cuts while public services are a shambles; failure to tackle crime (last sting of a dying wasp?); "Welcome to Parlon Country"; So far in bed (literally) with IBEC that they're all about Governing for them rather than the people; Supposed changes that are better for competition and therefore the consumer that lead to increased prices and increased profits; Abuse of power to stop journalists investigating them; etc etc.
Not that I absolve FF of the above also - the likes of Cowen are just the "acceptable" face of the PD's in many ways. At least the PD's and the likes of Cullen, Brennan and McCreevy are open about Business being their only concern unlike FF who try and maintain the lie of being left of centre!
This is just FF spin. The simple fact is that FF are a right wing party too, and agree with these policies. However, they attempt to spin it on the ground that it's the tail wagging the dog. They're just lying to their own grass roots.
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Bit of a contradiction there, If Shinners are not lunnie left i don't know what is. Nationalise the Banks.
Anyone else notice the posters from new party called "Berties Team"
They don't believe that though, as myself Macy, Bohs Partisan etc have pointed out. They'd ditch that quick smart if in power.Bit of a contradiction there, If Shinners are not lunnie left i don't know what is. Nationalise the Banks.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of SF but the national question has always been important to me and SF (and FF) deserve a vote IMO for their work in the last 10 years.
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I vote Greens and Labour but have far more time for The Progressive Democrats than I would for Fine Gael and especially Fianna Fail. I've voted for them in the past and even had a very brief fling with the YPDs (long story
They have an ideaology. I don't share their vision but I acknowledge and respect their viewpoint. Fianna Fails only vision is Fianna Fail in power. I consider them way more right wing than the PDs who are essentially a Liberal party who just happen to have a securocratic (thank you Shinners for my new word) leader.
If they have "fcuk the poor" economics -at least they say it to your face rather than behind your back or in the zipped up tent like FF.
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