QuoteWell its certainly beyond me how having someone who doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 is of any benefit on the bench. Trap has a system, Hoolahan doesn't fit into it, it really doesn't matter what his form is like.Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull
I've been really impressed by Hoolahan and the step up he's made to premiership level but not bringing him to the Euro's or playing him in the qualifiers is hardly an injustice. It's Trap's system that creates our competitive advantage against teams that may be able to call on a higher calibre of player. Were Trap to pick the form 11 for the Euro's and play Hoolahan off Robbie up front, or in the middle of the park beside James McCarthy or Gibson then he'd be up against players like Iniesta, Pirlo and Xavi. Realistically, Hoolahan isn't at the same level as these players. Sticking to our current, tried and tested set-up and using our core rigidities are Trap's methods, and qualification to the Euro's stands to justify those methods.
I wouldn't be critical of Trap leaving someone like Hoolahan out. The only alterations I'd like to see wouldn't be from a tactical perspective, but from a personnel perspective. I think Trap could keep the same shape but ensure that McClean is in the squad, and maybe consider Gibson or McCarthy in the middle of the park. Maybe also have a look at Walters up front, and perhaps Dunne and O'Shea at centre-half.
Well its certainly beyond me how having someone who doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 is of any benefit on the bench. Trap has a system, Hoolahan doesn't fit into it, it really doesn't matter what his form is like.
I'd like to think "the system" could be adapted to some extent. By all means keep Whelan sitting deep and Andrews as the destructive-yet-mobile midfielder, but there could still be room for a talented player who can muck in when necessary but also carry the ball well or pass to the wide and forward players. By retaining possession better the system could even be enhanced. Will we really be playing 2 up front against Spain? In reality we'll be playing 6 in midfield for most of that game (all 3 games probably).
I haven't seen any of the Arsenal game yet but the radio commentray seemed to mention Hoolahan a lot. I think both Wigan and Norwich have shown that sitting deep but also being aggressive on the counter can reap rewards against possession dominating teams. I know we tend to get goals when they matter but I think our counter-attacking play is poor, possission breaking down too easily.
Wigan and Norwich are both also sides that are very comfortable in possession of the football and can dominate the ball themselves.
Well it's irrelevant now, but do you not think if we were a couple of goals down and running out of time in a game that we had to get a result out of to stay in the competition that even Trap would give players a bit more freedom to attack.. or possibly even change his formation?
His faith in the system (and the players employed within it that he has come to trust) is possibly "stubborn" enough to believe it will never come to that. It appears to be a risk he's willing to take and I suppose only time till provide the answer.
Besides, when it really came down to absolutely needing to score, the team he sent out in Paris was able to go on the front-foot and do so. Similarly, when we found ourselves 3-0 down at home to Russia, we nearly staged an impressive comeback. As it happened, it was too little, too late, but had we a few minutes longer in that game, we might well have managed an equaliser.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 08/05/2012 at 3:04 AM.
Had we taken our gilt edged chances in that game we wouldn't have needed an equaliser.
Wes Hoolahan Sidelined
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What does he say?
Not doubting that Hoolahan has had a good season. But can people answer me this, why does Lambert choose to generally leave him out of the starting XI when they play away from home??
That is telling. Especially as Norwich tactics away from home (i.e. dont lose) is probably the mindset in which Trap has and will continue to instil in his players.
Its 5 minutes of traps broken English - You'd need to watch it really
Summary,
We've watched (inferrring continue to watch) Hoolahan. Hes a good player.
Hes - 28, implying he's not a youngster breaking through.
It was too late to change the system. We have McCarthy, Maybe Ireland
The system is our strength. Strong wingers, strong centre.
He doesnt think (or is not sure) we can play with one up front. Or cannot justify changing the two strikers in the 4-4-2.
No friendlies to try him/change of system out.
Im not sure whether that means he will try him out for WC14 campaign/friendlies or not really but he and Tardelli it would appear have discussed it on many occasions.
Anyone else want to add what I missed - I wouldnt like to be a journa summarising that!!!
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Thats about the size of it .... boring, defensive system, its all he knows, thats our lot
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
I wonder was Wes ever in contention? A good game against Arsenal by the looks of things. It would have meant a change of system to accommodate him so I suspect he wasn't but it does seem such a shame that an obviously gifted player wasn't even considered. However, with Trap the system is all and since it has got us this far, who am I to complain?
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Fair enough, didnt do my research beforehand. To me, had noticed he been omitted from the starting 11 more times away from home than the other way round. Although Lambert does like to change his XI, for example, holt and morrison and regularly changed round.
He actually says Holenan is a great player who is 28, 29 and 30 all at once. :P
Oh...and he mentions Stephen Ireland 3 times. Why he feels the need to do this is beyond me.
Its actually quite embarrassing/frustrating to watch him...I would prefer to cut of my ears than to have to sit in on one of these press conferences.
You would get more insight into football listening to George Hook talk about the game.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
What exactly is the point of this thread? I don't see how Trap said anything there we didn't know already.
Personally I think that'd be a really bad time to bring on a creative pass master like Hoolahan. If you're behind and the opposition are backs against the wall defending, the channels are closed and breaking them down is nigh on impossible. In that situation the best route to goal is through set pieces and physicality through a target man in a crowded box. Best bench impact trio we could probably have are Harte, Delap and Walters. Not pretty but using free kicks, throw ins and aerial prowess as a weapon is exactly what you need in that situation.
I'm personally a big fan of the type of player Wes, Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland are but I don't think we could accommodate them in a 4-5-1 because we don't really have a suitable lone striker, it would also mean dropping Keane. The best compromise is 4-4-2 with Keane dropping deep.
Rory Delap hasn't been a set piece weapon for a couple of years now. I think the last goal Stoke scored from it was like a year and a half ago.
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