Jaysus lads there some amount of "holier than thou" bullsh*t on this thread (even more so than usual). Get off yer high horses and give it a rest will yez....
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
When both the teams play in a foreign league surely its bloody irrelevant who wins?!Originally Posted by youngirish
The "its good for international football" argument is also complete reverse justification crap.
Irish people will drag up any excuse they can lay their hands on to avoid acknowledging they choose football teams the way the rest of us choose a new car.
I don't support any English team but I like to see teams that contain a significant amount of Irish players doing well.
By your logic though I shouldn't be bothered as it's good to see teams full of Irish international (or potential International) players losing because when they are playing for s*it teams in the lower leagues it won't affect the International team in the slightest.
Are you on crack?
The portion of the EL brigade (not all but a portion) who are up their own ar*e and know nothing about football outside their own little world annoy me more than the jump on the bandwagon types. At least most of them realise they don't have a clue.
Last edited by youngirish; 25/04/2007 at 1:03 PM.
geez the knives are out for Keano and his boys..... so what if people want to go over and support the team? Yeah it would be nice if they all went to support their local football clubs but until Irish sides can start competing with English sides financially then they'll always go for the razmatazz of the PL. A bloody shame but the way of the world.
A successful Sunderland squad full of Irish players will hopefully have a knock on effect for 'OUR' national team. I hope they go on to bigger things personally.
Last edited by shakermaker1982; 25/04/2007 at 12:54 PM.
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
great way of putting it. when asked "why do u support uk club x" ? you hardly if ever hear "cos i'm from there" .it's always some story of how the club relates back to them.
i think sunderland will give irish players a greater chance than other clubs, thats how i would see what citizen is saying has validity, other clubs dont have the same leniency to Ireland and Irish players, thats why if SUnderland are playing in the premiership it does benefit our International team.
I think people are getting lost and blinded by the fact Sunderland are doing well and looking like they will get promoted as oppossed to Sunderland full of Irish players, a coach and Irish owned. Just think a little more lads.
Last edited by paul_oshea; 25/04/2007 at 12:58 PM.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
No, I have my hands full supporting my local team, quite frankly I don't get to enough games as it is. Football teams are like women, you're not doing it right if you have room in your life for more than one.
To address your specific point, the presence of Keane and Irwin never made me support United, O'Leary and Stapleton at Arsenal, Whelan, Beglin, Staunton at Liverpool the same. Looking further afield Brady never turned me into a Juvenista.
Tying it back to Sunderland, beyond Murphy I think I've seen enough of them over the years to know that they aren't the national teams future (or if they are, we are in for even more barren times).
A lot of the posts since this appeared have really proved the bloke wrong!!!
'Wouldn't worry about that lot, truly they are the worst of Little Irelanders, but thankfully they're in an embarrassingly small minority. The furthest they've travelled from home is about .6 of a mile, and generally they regard Irish men who join English clubs and win Champions Leagues and such like as traitors - they'd prefer if they stayed at home working as part-time petrol pump attendants and part-time footballers, playing in a league that is so poor it's hard to know where to begin describing it. It's run and supported by people who wallow in mediocrity, because they know nothing else'
that in particular
I've a passing interest in Sunderlands results but am fairly indifferent to them. Actually wishing they lose to spite Keane is petty and small minded.
Last edited by Wolfie; 25/04/2007 at 1:03 PM.
Quoting years at random since 1975
Another sweeping generalisation.
Many of the fans I meet in the EL watch football all over the world and always incorporate into their travels (as I do).
Mostly because they are in it for the football, not for the razmataz and Sky-ification that has made Premiership football a largely sterile experience.
What about Elliot and Stokes? Far better players than Murphy.
Ehhh ? Have you been out in the sun too long YI ? As I clearly said - I care more for Irish club football than I do the international variety. That doesn't mean I don't give a **** about international football. I also care more about dogs thna I do cats -but that doesn't meazn I want to go out and skin alive the first feline I can find.
I actually go to alot of Ireland games, especially away. But it's just not as important to me as the domestic game is. So I will always look at things with more concern regarding their impact on the domestic game than the international one. So calm down - you'll give yourself high blood pressure blowing a fuse over inoccuous things like this.
And show me the club in Ireland that meets your nonsense criteria above anyway ? Conversely - I could name you long periods in which the Irish international team were managed by English, contained large numbers of British etc. Not that it really matters anyway - I'm into football, not ethnic cleansing....
I just don't care about Irish players abroad. I guess if pushed to declare an interest, I'd rather they did well than not, but I don't care. I don't feel that I should be all that artifically concerned for someone's welfare and progress just because they were born on the same island as me.
Forgot about Stokes. He certainly has the potential.
Include Elliot in the previously mentioned category. I've seen enough of him not to rate him, unless he has a road to Damascus type moment which turns him into a quality footballer.
Quite frankly, other than Stokes, none of the Irish at Sunderland is likely to progress to International regulars and the jury is still out on Stokes. However, Wolves, also with an Irish manager, have the potential of Keogh and Ward.
For those of you interested, there is an article on Keane and his wanting to keep players happy in today's Daily Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...5/sfnsun25.xml
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
That is a very honest opinion given the fact that you live away from the island, and Irish people by nature ( force of habit, go with what you know etc ) stick together and become more proud to be Irish the further away they go....I just don't care about Irish players abroad. I guess if pushed to declare an interest, I'd rather they did well than not, but I don't care. I don't feel that I should be all that artifically concerned for someone's welfare and progress just because they were born on the same island as me.
Here is where I am confused however, I mean to what degree to you prefer cats to Dogs? Its all relative really. It all depends on how much you REALLY care about club football in Ireland, how much you care about the Ireland national team and finally to what ratio do you care about Ireland as a national team to Irish - club - football?I just don't care about Irish players abroad. I guess if pushed to declare an interest, I'd rather they did well than not, but I don't care.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
I think most of us are more interested in what's going on at Sunderland since Keane got the job but does anyone seriously know a grown adult that only started supported Sunderland this season? I very much doubt it.
You obviously gravitate towards what you know when you're away form home, and a lot of my friends in England would be Irish. But I'm friends with them because I like them, not because they're Irish. Some of them just happen to be Irish as well. Why should I have an interest in Seamus O'Flaherty at London United Rovers or whatever, just because he was born on the same island as me ? I'd never meet the guy, he's be from a different generation and part of the country than me, and our lives would be totally different ! I don't feel the need to treat everyone Irish as unduly worthy of my attentions and support, and think it is slavishly peculiar to do so.
The priority list would look as folow :
1) Derry City FC
2) Eircom League
3) Dogs (may increase to a level 2 priority if I actually get one..)
4) Ireland international team
11) Cats
251) The Black Cts of Sunderland (Newcastle United would be higher)
P.S. - Are you still looking after that shirt of mine boyo ?
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 25/04/2007 at 1:18 PM.
Who do you think are filling those Aer Arann flights then ? School Trips ? The cast of Lord of the Flies ??
You can't be serious? You should have seen the parties in Spain when Fernando Alonso won the championship. Or the pubs in this country when Ken Doherty won the World Championships. I absolutely loved to see Damien Duff destroy players in the Champions league during his first couple of season at Chelsea. Nakamura has been all over the front pages of the Japanese papers over the last few days. It's just part of being patriotic. How is it peculiar?
Anyone on for heading over to Sunderland for the match on Friday. I will arrange the charter plane for a laugh or maybe we can all book Aer Arann, who is up for it or maybe I will fly up to Derry on Friday evening
In Trap we trust
I saw about 50 of them in Dublin airport a few weeks ago.
Although in fairness the emergence of the Irish cricket team as the next bandwagon has been making ridiculous demands on their time recently.....
Posting Permissions
Quote
Bookmarks