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Thread: Has Robbie Keane ever missed a penalty in a competitive match

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    Has Robbie Keane ever missed a penalty in a competitive match

    Has Robbie Keane ever missed a penalty in a competitive match. I have never seen him miss one and I was wondering does anybody rememember him missing one.
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    Oh no! What a terrible thread. You know what's going to happen now and probably in one of the vital away games.
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    It's OK, he's got between now and September to miss one first.

    He's been increasingly emphatic from the spot alright. His penno at home to Cyprus in Sept '05 was poor but keeper was equally poor. I can't remember him missing. Maybe at Leeds?

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    seriously .. someone PM Neil McD the answer, and delete this thread. This is the sort of thread that will be revived when Keane misses a penalty in Prague that ends our hopes or a miraculous fight back. Don't need anymore jinxes

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    I dont believe in jinxes or any of that nonsense to be honest.
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    According to this article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/4473100.stm
    - he missed one waay back in December 2005 against Sunderland, but I can't find any mention of one missed since then
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    Fair play tets. To me he is one of the best peno takers there is as he very rarely gives the goalkeeper a chance and can take many different penalties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilMcD View Post
    Fair play tets. To me he is one of the best peno takers there is as he very rarely gives the goalkeeper a chance and can take many different penalties.
    As a Spurs fan, I'm happy to see Robbie take our pens, since his record his pretty good (I remember Steady Teddy Sheringham missing three consecutive penalties, in the Keystone Cops days when Ardiles when in charge!). I particularly like the way he is "nerveless" e.g. yesterday, when Filan was trying to put him off. I'd have no fears about Robbie stepping forward in a Penalty Shoot-Out.

    However, yesterday highlighted one particular bug-bear of mine about penalties. There is an area of the goal, above five foot and close to the sides (essentially top corners) where, if the shot is struck cleanly, it is physically impossible for the keeper to reach. When you consider how skilful most professional players are (e.g. curling free kicks round the wall and into the corner of upright and crossbar, from maybe 30 yards), they ought to be able to hit those areas with a penalty from 12 yards nine times out of ten.

    Yet how often do we see a player (as Keane yesterday) hit a penalty to an area of the goal which the keeper might be capable of reaching, assuming he dives the right way?

    Why give the keeper a chance? I don't know what the figures are, but I think that fewer than 80% of penalties are actually converted, with the majority of the failures down to saves by the keeper i.e. only a minority of misses down to a failure to hit the target entirely.

    Now I know that the recent Rule change which allows keepers now to move along their line has helped them; plus keepers are ever bigger with, presumably longer reach. Most leading clubs also have specialised goalkeeping coaches who I imagine work hard on penalty-saving. And keepers can study videos to learn a particular taker's preference.

    However, I'd have thought that these recent improvements in keepers' chances when facing a penalty would have produced a corresponding response from penalty-takers in modifying their technique i.e. hit the bloody thing into the top corner!

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    Going off a bit on this one but I do remember Peter Noble for Burnley never missed a pen for them in all the time he was at the club 24 he took and scored the lot .

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    Most leading clubs also have specialised goalkeeping coaches who I imagine work hard on penalty-saving. And keepers can study videos to learn a particular taker's preference.
    i wouldn't think that too much time is spent by GK's working on penalties TBH. unless in the week running up to a cup game where penalties may be required. i would however think that the GK's would study videos (dvds) of specific penalty takers for a team and get an idea there but as for hours on the training pitch practising specifically on saving penalties - i doubt it. however they would spend hours working on technique which in turn would increase their chances on saving penalties along with other shots, dealing with crosses, kicking (rolling ball and dead ball) and on their organisational/communication skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    Yet how often do we see a player (as Keane yesterday) hit a penalty to an area of the goal which the keeper might be capable of reaching, assuming he dives the right way?

    Why give the keeper a chance? I don't know what the figures are, but I think that fewer than 80% of penalties are actually converted, with the majority of the failures down to saves by the keeper i.e. only a minority of misses down to a failure to hit the target entirely.
    Did I read the highlighted part incorrectly?

    On your broader point, I think there are 2 general ways to convert a penalty. You frequently hear players in a shoot out being advised to "pick your side and stick with it". These are the players who are vulnerable to a keeper guessing the right way and in that case you're right, failing to hit the ball more than 3 feet or so inside the post runs the risk of a keeper getting lucky (or, giving credit, reading the player's run up or technique correctly).

    There's another type of penalty taker however, the Robbie Keane, John Aldridge, Yakubu type player who regularly waits for the keeper to commit before striking the ball. In yesterday's case I'll give Robbie benefit of any doubt, and observe that he waited so late to decide that just before impact he had noted the keeper had yet to dive, i.e., he wasn't going to guess. In this case the keeper would never have a chance to react quickly enough even if the ball was 5 feet inside the post. I saw a ground level photo of the ball going in and Filan was miles away.


    It really is an art. If Robbie or Henrik Larsson was in a 1-on-1 situation in open play, I'd always back Larsson to score, but with Robbie you can never be sure. From the spot I'd never back Larsson, but Keane really is becoming as accomplished a taker as there is. Le Tissier was brilliant from the spot, but look at Frank Lampard. Brilliant ball striker from distance, average at best penalty taker.
    Last edited by Stuttgart88; 16/04/2007 at 1:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galwayhoop View Post
    i wouldn't think that too much time is spent by GK's working on penalties TBH. unless in the week running up to a cup game where penalties may be required. i would however think that the GK's would study videos (dvds) of specific penalty takers for a team and get an idea there but as for hours on the training pitch practising specifically on saving penalties - i doubt it. however they would spend hours working on technique which in turn would increase their chances on saving penalties along with other shots, dealing with crosses, kicking (rolling ball and dead ball) and on their organisational/communication skills
    You might well be right, but what the bloody hell do they spend their time on? Jonny Wilkinson or Ronan O'Gara have at least as many specialised techniques they need to master as any keeper, yet still they spend countless hours on the training pitch practising penalties. Why don't soccer players practice taking them and, correspondingly, keepers practice saving them?

    Someone mentioned Peter Noble of Burnley earlier. But even better at penalties was Matt Le Tissier, who converted a remarkable 48 from 49* penalties. Hardly coincidentally, the only failure was a save by Mark Crossley - by far the best penalty saver I can remember. In fact, I found the following article which covers this very subject:
    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/s...626782,00.html
    I find it remarkable that Crossley could save 8 from 14 penalties in the Premiership when, as I said earlier, there is 15-20% of the target which makes a well-struck penalty all but unsaveable.
    Considering how often a converted penalty turns a match in favour of the scorer's team, and also how often a saved penalty encourages the keeper's team, I'd have thought both takers and keepers would find time for constant practice during the season. After all, Tiger Woods will still practice a hundred or more four feet puts just about every day of his life.


    * - Crossley claims Le Tiss scored 53 from 54, but I don't think that's correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    Mark Crossley - by far the best penalty saver I can remember.
    Paul "Superstars" Cooper of Ipswich had a great record.

    Artur Boruc at Celtic is exceptional. He always gets close. I was really condident he'd save Saha's penalty in the CL. I said it to the guy next to me in the pub and he thought I was taking too many pills. 30 seconds later he gave me an acknowledging nod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Did I read the highlighted part incorrectly?

    On your broader point, I think there are 2 general ways to convert a penalty. You frequently hear players in a shoot out being advised to "pick your side and stick with it". These are the players who are vulnerable to a keeper guessing the right way and in that case you're right, failing to hit the ball more than 3 feet or so inside the post runs the risk of a keeper getting lucky (or, giving credit, reading the player's run up or technique correctly).

    There's another type of penalty taker however, the Robbie Keane, John Aldridge, Yakubu type player who regularly waits for the keeper to commit before striking the ball. In yesterday's case I'll give Robbie benefit of any doubt, and observe that he waited so late to decide that just before impact he had noted the keeper had yet to dive, i.e., he wasn't going to guess. In this case the keeper would never have a chance to react quickly enough even if the ball was 5 feet inside the post. I saw a ground level photo of the ball going in and Filan was miles away.


    It really is an art. If Robbie or Henrik Larsson was in a 1-on-1 situation in open play, I'd always back Larsson to score, but with Robbie you can never be sure. From the spot I'd never back Larsson, but Keane really is as accplomaished a taker as there is. Le Tissier was brilliant from the spot, but look at Frank Lampard. Brilliant ball striker from distance, average at best penalty taker.
    Re my highlighted part (fewer than 80% of penalties being converted), I'm pretty sure that's correct - see the Observer/Crossley article I posted above.

    Re the rest of your post, I agree with everything you say. However, my point is that it ought to be possible to take the "guesswork" and mental stress out of it (i.e. which side do you put it/who "blinks first), by the taker aiming to hit the ball into (either of) the top corner(s) at pace.

    That way, it really doesn't matter if the keeper "reads" the taker's intentions - he simply isn't going to get to it, (unless he's got arms like a gorilla)!

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    sorry, I did read it incorrectly. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    the taker aiming to hit the ball into (either of) the top corner(s) at pace.
    Much higher risk though, surely? If you're aiming high there's probably only one area of the ball you need to hit to get it into the postage stamp. Maybe one inch below this impact spot and it's over the bar, one inch above and it's waist high, the easiest place for a keeper to save it. Hitting the ball low is easier and in moments of pressure it's probably more reliable.

    I'd guess it's relatively rare even for the best takers to go high.

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    I think he missed one during a penalty shoot-out on his Inter debut. I'm not so sure it was a competitive game though.

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    That was an experiment where they had to dribble from the half way line and then take shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    You might well be right, but what the bloody hell do they spend their time on? Jonny Wilkinson or Ronan O'Gara have at least as many specialised techniques they need to master as any keeper, yet still they spend countless hours on the training pitch practising penalties. Why don't soccer players practice taking them and, correspondingly, keepers practice saving them?
    To be fair, Wilkinson or O'Gara can expect to kick at least 3 or 4 penalties every game, so they are talking about 9-12 points every game, at least. How many penalties does the average keeper face in a season?

    Of course time should be spent on it, although I'd say video analysis of the run-up and direction of penalties (and any correlation) by the penalty taker would be more useful than facing penalties from random players.

    But, when you consider time spent preparing for free kicks, corners, etc, situations which occur multiple times each game, I'm not sure how much time should be devoted to something that you believe a striker should never miss if he takes correctly.

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