The Ronaldo Debate

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

The whole team must be overrated because Rooney and Scoles, also
so called world class players, didn't show either. It wasn't just Ronaldo. As for Heinze, he'd be lucky to get a game in the Phoenix Park on that showing.

It was a comprehensive defeat - with a few notably terrible performances. There was no-one to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Didn't get near them. The lead up to the second goal was a comedy of errors.

Vidic wasn't match fit, Giggs was poor, Carrick was anonymous, Heinze had a nightmare..............

I thought Milan played very well to be fair to them.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

The whole team must be overrated because Rooney and Scoles, also
so called world class players, didn't show either. It wasn't just Ronaldo. As for Heinze, he'd be lucky to get a game in the Phoenix Park on that showing.

???.... scholes was class last night he was the only one who performed.... ive been saying all year... heinze,giggs and rooney are p*ss poor!.... rooney score the odd great goal and is touted as a world-class player....just imagine if he had decided to play for ireland instead you wouldnt hear a word himself and heinze cant pass a ball to save there life and giggs all round is just awful and has been for 4+ years now

Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

To be honest I think the best players in the world are nothing in comparison to a few years ago when you had Ronaldo(prime), Figo, Rivaldo & Zidane. They had all the skills in the world, but most importantly they where able to channel it perfectly and had tremendous success. When these guys where on song, no one could live with them.

Completely agree.

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

ya sure what was wrong with that post?.... ''gillardino p*ss poor''...he got a 1-1 with miles of space and time......apart from that he done nothing!

Did you read the rest of the post?

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

???.... scholes was class last night he was the only one who performed.... ive been saying all year... rooney are p*ss poor!.... rooney score the odd great goal and is touted as a world-class player

Scholes wasn't class last night- only average.

If you think Rooney is a poor footballer you must have no understanding of the game. You follow up point further proves your ignorance.

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Completely agree.

Did you read the rest of the post?

Scholes wasn't class last night- only average.

If you think Rooney is a poor footballer you must have no understanding of the game. You follow up point further proves your ignorance.

ya i did but that was the main part of it where a single individual was picked out!.

scholes was class in that considering how bad everyone was around him he managed to play well enough and didnt lose the ball stupidly!... rooney is over rated and wasted possession too much, he continuesly gives stupid half passes that are intercepted constantly!. i think his goal scoring record for a ''striker'' in europe proves this when he went nearly 3yrs without a goal proves how over-hyped he is.... scoring some cracking goals doesnt make you class, as proved by RVN(ruud van nistel') and i am a united fan!!

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

scholes was class in that considering how bad everyone was around him he managed to play well enough and didnt lose the ball stupidly!... rooney is over rated and wasted possession too much, he continuesly gives stupid half passes that are intercepted constantly!. i think his goal scoring record for a ''striker'' in europe proves this when he went nearly 3yrs without a goal proves how over-hyped he is.... scoring some cracking goals doesnt make you class, as proved by RVN(ruud van nistel') and i am a united fan!!

No matter how bad the rest of the team were you can never be described as having a class game just because he was the best player in that game.

I lost count of the amount of times that Scholes lost the ball last night trying to play through the Milan midfield on his own.

Rooney is not a striker. He is not in the team to score goals (despite this he has scored a goal nearly every second game). Just look at the amount of assists he has contributed to see how important he is to the team.

van Nistelrooy proved (and still is) that he is world class. Anyone with a brain could see that.

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

No matter how bad the rest of the team were you can never be described as having a class game just because he was the best player in that game.

I lost count of the amount of times that Scholes lost the ball last night trying to play through the Milan midfield on his own.

Rooney is not a striker. He is not in the team to score goals (despite this he has scored a goal nearly every second game). Just look at the amount of assists he has contributed to see how important he is to the team.

van Nistelrooy proved (and still is) that he is world class. Anyone with a brain could see that.

but thats where your wrong rooney is first and foremost a striker! and thats where he plays most of the time!. my point about scholes is put you out on a pitch with 9 other players playing woeful and play ok and you've got skill..... he has been uniteds best player for years and is highly under-rated in contrast to Giggs,Rooney and one or two others!

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

but thats where your wrong rooney is first and foremost a striker! and thats where he plays most of the time!. my point about scholes is put you out on a pitch with 9 other players playing woeful and play ok and you've got skill..... he has been uniteds best player for years and is highly under-rated in contrast to Giggs,Rooney and one or two others!

Rooney is not a striker, he usually plays between the midfield and striker. It may not seem like much of a difference, but there is a considerable difference.

I still can't see how just because you played better than 9 other players on your team that you should be considered to have had a class game.

I agree with you about him being United's best player over the years, not counting Keane though. Scholes is still better than Gerrard and Lampard IMO.

Originally Posted by jebus

Are you Andy Gray in disguise?!

No.
Point taken though.
I've been completely won over by them.
Looking forward to seeing wrinkly Italian hands on the Chapions League trophy.

I think Scholes is a class player - but he was nowhere near class on Wednesday night.

The media hype bestowing the "best footballer in the world" tag upon Ronaldo is ridiculous. There's a few pundits have attempted to put him on a par with the achievements of Marradona and Pele. This is an insult to two players who were truly great - certainly at specifc stages of their career for club and country.

Andy Townsend, on ITV a few weeks ago, was suggesting that Ronaldo was on a par with George Best. The same night, the RTE panel were totally rubbishing him. The reality lies somewhere in the middle.

As regards having an impact when it mattered this season - I'd actually rate Rooney over Ronaldo. Ronaldo is an undoubted talent but he's a fair bit to go to be classed "Great".

I've said it a thousand times: Paul Scholes is much better than Ronaldo. Give me a classy creative midfielder over a performing seal any day. Ronado has great flicks 'n' tricks but he's almost worthless as a team player, while Scholes is endlessly ingenious. When he's buzzing so are Manchestter United.

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

but he's almost worthless as a team player

19 goals and 23 assists useless as a team player?

ronaldo....wasnt much use against ac milan, to be fair

Ronaldo's great trick (apologies if it's been posted before):


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OwlsFan , 3 years ago called , it wants its jokes back

Gustavo, hackneyed responses called. It wants its line back.

The great players NEVER give the ball away

I watched Maradona for years and cant remember him giving the ball to the other side once

Ronaldo loks good against Fulham and Wigan but when it mattered (CL Semi final) he was anonymous or worse a liability

Originally Posted by Matchman

The great players NEVER give the ball away

I watched Maradona for years and cant remember him giving the ball to the other side once

Ronaldo loks good against Fulham and Wigan but when it mattered (CL Semi final) he was anonymous or worse a liability

your example is just one game, he played brilliantly in the world cup in big games, and the hole season long, and the one game he was poor you use as example!when it mattered was against fulham, against everton when united were 2 down, granted there not the biggest teams, but uniteds title challenge came down to games and brilliance like that. and the great john o'shea!

Originally Posted by Matchman

The great players NEVER give the ball away

I watched Maradona for years and cant remember him giving the ball to the other side once

Ronaldo loks good against Fulham and Wigan but when it mattered (CL Semi final) he was anonymous or worse a liability

well there was the world cup final!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats one example of Maradona giving decent passes