hypothetical situation (Stan's replacement)?

**Pablo** · 27/03/2007, 3:15 PM

I can think of many Irish managers who would be better than Staunton. Pat Fenlon, Damien Richardson, BRAIN KERR, David O'Leary, Roy Keane, Pat Dolan and the list goes on.

Knowing the FAI incompetents they'll promote Givens to continue his pimping or promote Devlin from his extremely busy Ireland B job.

**Irish_Praha** · 27/03/2007, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

Forget naming someone....

What qualities would you look for in an international manager?

Some have been mentioned above but I'll go through a list and suggest a manager that fills the criteria.

1. He would probably have to be a free agent so the FAI don't have to pay any compensation.
2. He needs to have at least several years experience as a manager and a track record to show that he improves with experience.
3. Not a prerequisite, but it would help if he had some experience playing at a high level.
4. Media savvy
5. Previous job's salary similar to or lower than what the FAI can offer
6. Not an old has been who will be happy to take it as a part-time role before his pension (el Tel)
7. Able to get results with limited resources.
8. A proven motivator
9. Be able to suffer the fools at the FAI

I might have been a bit selective with the creiteria because I knew who I was going to suggest but it's Mike Newell.

He's a free agent at the moment, hasn't managed at the highest level so would probably not expect an unreasonable wage. He spent most of his career in the lower leagues but he did win a Premiership medal with Blackburn. He has five years management experience, the first season was a nightmare with Hartlepool but he learned quick and was a big success at Luton with a small squad of 20 players. He could be our Laurie Sanchez.
The only problem I would see is that he wouldn't suffer the fools at the FAI very lightly.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 27/03/2007, 7:44 PM

Not posted here before, read the site for a while so hello to all.

John Aldridge is the obvious choice and should have been appointed last time round when it became clear we weren't going to get a world class manager. the likes of Venables and Robson are busted flushes with reputations built more by the media then anything else and it says it all about Delaney that Robson was his choice when Kerr was appointed. Aldridge did an exceptional job with **** all resources at Tranmere that he doesn't get enough credit for in keeping them at the top end of the Championship for a couple of seasons.

He also made them into an exceptional cup side regularly beating teams from the EPL culminating in a major cup final appearance that they were unlucky to lose to Martin O'Neill's Leicester. That grounding in one off cup football is ideal preperation for international management particularly with a smaller nation like ourselves. He's also very savvy with the media, anyone recall seeing him interviewed by Spanish TV in fluent Spanish during the WC 94 qualifiers after the away game when he had a perfectly good goal disallowed? Stan, bless him struggles with speaking English.

However, he is very much his own man hence why that **** Delaney wouldn't even interview him.

He achieved far more then the likes of Newell who someone mentioned on here and would consider it a huge honour to have the job.

Now, I wouldn't bracket him in the same region as Martin O'Neill but there are similarities in his passion for the game and look at what Sanchez has done for NI with a similar background. I'd be certain the players would respond to him or they'd be out on their ear.

**Student Mullet** · 27/03/2007, 8:12 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

However, he is very much his own man hence why that **** Delaney wouldn't even interview him.

Now, that's not fair. Delaney had a lot of paperwork to do that week.

http://stigonline.com/eamon.mp3

**Drumcondra 69er** · 28/03/2007, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

Now, that's not fair. Delaney had a lot of paperwork to do that week.

http://stigonline.com/eamon.mp3

Yeah, think his Mam was cutting his hair that week as well!

**osarusan** · 28/03/2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by craig7042

This is why we really need to be thinking of Stan improving rather than going for another man. At some point we need someone to get the luck they need and become great on the job. I know its hard to imagine Stan doing it from here but you've got to hope and give him a chance. If we scraped into the finals from this position it would incredible for the progress of the team and manager...

Why do we need to think of Stan improving?

Why should we wait 5 years for him to get better and luckier?

Why should we have to give him a (another) chance?

With the money he and his team are being paid, we could hire a quality manager who would turn things around much, much more quickly.

I have no doubt that Staunton will get better as he manages for longer, but I don't see why the national team should be the sacrifice which allows this to happen. As an Ireland fan I want us to qualify for all tournments consistently, and if we can't, I want it to be because the team just isnt good enough, rather than the fault of a manager who was not up to the job. You can't change the players at your disposal, but you can change the manager.

Originally Posted by craig7042

Maybe next time we need to go for a player who has managed. But the way the media work he'll be slaughtered immediately. Name anyone...and I can predict the abuse already...

Guus Hiddink. What criticism will the media heap upon him, apart from a high salary, which I would consider justified if he did what I think he would with the national side.

**KevB76** · 28/03/2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by danonion

...I think the best manager we could get would be big Sam Alardyce, he is a great manager in my book...

Yes, I second that.

BTW he did manage Limerick, see: http://www.limerick37fc.ie/history.html

**livehead1** · 28/03/2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by KevB76

Yes, I second that.

BTW he did manage Limerick, see: http://www.limerick37fc.ie/history.html

you are completely deluded!!!! what on gods green earth leads you to believe that a manager in charge of one of the top 6 clubs in the english premiership, who are getting stronger and stronger each year (this week they have been linked with Kewell & Camera) is going to be interested in taking over a team ranked FIFTY-FIRST in the world! Who exactly do you think we are!!!

Sam Alladyce me foot.

**RogerMilla** · 28/03/2007, 2:26 PM

agree fully livehead , there has to be a bit of realism here.

**danonion** · 28/03/2007, 2:39 PM

I don't know if you're necessarily right on that - I see a huge incentive for a manager to want to manage Ireland. We have a good national pool compared to the countries who are ranked ahead of us by FIFA. Climbing the table with N.Ireland (aside: speaking of which, whatever happened to ealing green?) did wonders for Lawrie Sanchez's reputation. So hypothetically if things stopped going to so well for Bolton (they will, a small club is a small club) and the Ireland job was open when Sam parted company with them, he could concievably see it as a vehicle to making his reputation continental, which right now it is not.

**Over the post** · 28/03/2007, 2:51 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

you are completely deluded!!!! what on gods green earth leads you to believe that a manager in charge of one of the top 6 clubs in the english premiership, who are getting stronger and stronger each year (this week they have been linked with Kewell & Camera) is going to be interested in taking over a team ranked FIFTY-FIRST in the world! Who exactly do you think we are!!!

Sam Alladyce me foot.

Hardly a sign of progress

In fairness though, Allardyce seems ambitious as well as talented and if he did leave Bolton it would be to take over one of the bigger premiership clubs or to manage England.

**Collyontour** · 28/03/2007, 2:56 PM

I'd say Staunton is with us now for at least another 6 months. In any case I don't think Allardyce would take over. Chris Coleman could be an option though

**tetsujin1979** · 28/03/2007, 3:03 PM

Steve Cotteril? Did very well at Cheltenham and Stoke, before moving on to the train crash that was Sunderland (at the time) and now was doing well with Burnley until they lost Andy Gray (who was top scorer)

**Drumcondra 69er** · 28/03/2007, 3:13 PM

The likes of even Coleman wouldn't come here in a fit, anyone reasonably secure in an EPL job would have no interest in taking iver here and dealing with that shower of imbeciles in Merrion Square.

Allardyce ffs!! Cannot believe people would actually believe he'd be remotely interested, if McLaren keeps going teh way he is at present Big Sam could well be in line for the brit job anyway.

As for Hiddink, it might happen when pigs start taking off from Dublin Airport.

We were realisticly only ever going to get someone a bit desperate and out of work or an ex player. Troussier may have been interested before Kerr got it but doubt it now. Stan is here for this campaign regardless unless he bites the bullet himself. I'd have loved him to have gone after Cyprus and Aldo to have stepped up but the czech game came quick enough for him to get over that and regardless of performances we've won every game since, doubt he'll budge for a while yet, no game for 6 months after tonight and he'll be back over in England for those 6 months so won't get the media or the feeling on the ground over here.

**jebus** · 28/03/2007, 3:27 PM

Personally I would have gone for Ronnie Whelan last time around, and would do the same should Stan get the sack. He's unattached at the moment, has more respect with the Irish public than Staunton ever did, has managerial experience, and did a good job at Olympiakos Nicosa (sp?), should have the respect of the players given his playing career, and in general has always seemed like a man who speaks his mind, and doesn't put up with anyones crap. Perfect for this job if you ask me

**Pablo** · 28/03/2007, 3:29 PM

I see the names Ronnie whelan and John Aldridge mentioned all over this site? Why do people think they are good enough? They have achieved nothing in management.

Why havent they worked in YEARS if they are so good??? Aldridge wasn't given the Bohs job FFS!

**drinkfeckarse** · 28/03/2007, 3:29 PM

Excellent posts re Aldridge Drumcondra 69er. Very good points and we could do a lot worse.

**drinkfeckarse** · 28/03/2007, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by Pablo

IThey have achieved nothing in management.

I would say Aldridge certainly achieved success with Tranmere. I think the point you are missing is that we are unlikely to get a world class manager or a manager who has achieved what you want him to have achieved on what the FAI would be willing to pay.

The next best thing would be to look for someone who has shown that he has the right attributes and who would have the necessary hunger.

**Over the post** · 28/03/2007, 3:43 PM

I think we're reduced to chosing between someone homegrown with little or no experience or a journeyman manager who finds himself between jobs due to a coup in the last banana republic whose national side he was managing.

**GavinZac** · 28/03/2007, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by Over the post

I think we're reduced to chosing between someone homegrown with little or no experience or a journeyman manager who finds himself between jobs due to a coup in the last banana republic whose national side he was managing.

or perhaps an irishman with plenty of experience managing teams with players ranging from the poor to the odd exceptional talent, an excellent understanding of more than one tactic and knowledge of irish players both in england and at home. throw in some european experience and some silverware - oh, and slightly more verbose than "just one of those things".

damien richardson is out of contract soon, you know.