Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Maybe he wants the job himself
Based on his rather limited sojourn as an Ireland international manager I don't think he is up to it.
(No, I am not going to explain - find it yourselves!)
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"It's time for the FAI to grow up." John O'Donoghue, Minister for Sport, RTE , Sunday 7 Nov 2004
Why? The phrases accurately depict the state of the team. Staunton is being paid a lot of money to manage at the highest level. He knew what he was getting into. It's not a media conspiracy, he's just not good enough. End of story.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Catch on to yourself son. The only word that you've quoted that is abusive is 'muppets'. And thats not even too common on this site. Criticism isn't abuse.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
For €50 and upwards to watch that train wreck on Saturday I'm not surprised at some of the criticism thats floating about.
What?????
Now just imagine this: a freak set of results and we finish in second place in the group and are off to Euro '08 - with stan as our manager..
How would you feel then?
Herd-ild orr Pressss!
A 1-0 win over Wales with Bellamy and Giggs in their side and it's called a "train wreck". I didn't realise that not only do we have to win, but we have to win with style as well.
You poor man spending your €50.00 to watch Ireland. No doubt you enjoyed the wave and participated in it but still felt hard done by that you weren't entertained. I don't believe I have EVER gone to an Irish game thinking about being entertained. I go to support the team and to see them win. Anything else is a bonus.
It was a poor game no doubt but I came out of the game delighted with the 3 points, pleased with the defensive performance, confused by the selection, annoyed by the negativity around me and dreading the hour long walk to the Luas. Entertainment never once crossed my mind.
Spend your €50 on porno videos and stay away from the games if you feel that hard done by. At least you should get excited by them (or may be not).
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
What?????
Now just imagine this: a freak set of results and we finish in second place in the group and are off to Euro '08 - with stan as our manager..
How would you feel then?
If we get to the finals, I'll be absolutely OVER THE MOON.
Twenty years ago Jack Charlton scrapped through to Euro 88. Remember a game against Luxembourg at home that year???? We only won 2-1 and the fans booed the team.................... and it built up from there. We've always got past the group stages in finals (even without Roy!) and its good for the country. Stan will grow as a manager if the results start going his way. The team will grow with so many young players.
Imagine going to the finals with Doyle, McShane, hunt, Ireland, Elliot, Stokes, Douglas...etc etc
New era that! Just give them a chance and you never know. I've no personal issues against Stan like some seem to...
Some of the comments that have been posted on this board since Saturday have been abusive and it does not help the team in any way shape or form. Criticism is fine - noone is above criticism - but some of the comments on here have been embarrassing.
now surely noboby still buys porno videos!!!! surely DVD's or internet sites
I'm starting to think a lot of the Irish support now prefer a good moan over celebrating a win.This forum is much busier after a defeat than it is after a win.
Don't be going on with this personal issues business just because people RIGHTLY don't rate Stan as a manager. With Charlton and McCarthy you could see progress being made even if it was slow at times, but whats happening here is not progress. Mick had a real rebuilding job to do whereas Stan's inherited a squad with the likes of Given, Finnan, Dunne, Duff, Keane, O'Shea, Reid and Carsley who've all be around the squad for some time and he's also got the benefit of some promising youngsters. I wanted Stan to succeed and I thought I could see sense in his appointment but I was wrong. He's not up to it and this latest carry on with the media is pathetic, some of them are gutter but you know what papers they write for, most of them are genuine and fair in their assessments.
I mean you say 'imagine going to the finals' well thats all you can do...Imagine cos we won't be going if this keeps up. Its not progression we're seeing here at all, its a mess.
Yeah i agree
i remember Maccarthy starting and he couldnt win a match , even scotland were beating us then, but people still supported him cause they could see what he was trying to do
but with stan i have no idea what his great plan is
He was trying to rebuild a side that had lost a good deal of the team under Jack through retirements, and brought through a lot of youngsters, and untried players. The basic spine of the team is still there from Kerr's, and even McCarthy's time (Given, Dunne, Finnan, Duff, Robbie, Kilbane, Harte all played under Mick), but there's a definite need for a change in organization and tactics on the pitch.
I agree that some of the personal criticism from the tabloids is uncalled for but let's be honest Stan is clearly not up to the job.
A limited panel of players is not being helped by baffling selections which is clearly puzzling the players. And now after impressing hugely on Saturday Hunt is left on the bench while McGeady starts? Not sure where that came from.
And you ask me to help you??!! Man is evil!!!! Capable of nothing but destruction!
That's the spirit. You're obviously an old hand.
This is the problem. If by some freak we got there and then reverted back to the standard of the Cyprus and San Marino games I think I'd rather we never qualified. Don't be blinkered by the past. There's no guarantee of success when you get to the finals. The fact that on the whole we've been fortunate at the finals stage of that Euro Championship and those World Cups doesn't mean it would be the same again. It could turn out to be a disastrous embarrassment (remember England in Euro '88?). A couple of crap games and then back home. Two years' worth of /will we/won't we/despondency/elation/sack stan/no he's not so bad/we haven't a hope/we might have a chance/feck we were lucky/ - all for a couple of days in the sun and then nowt. Jesus, thinking about it, it hardly seems worth the effort even at the best of times?
Anyway, I can't believe on current form we're even contemplating the finals...
Going by your posts, you seem to have personal issues with Stan.
Ramondo.
Herd-ild orr Pressss!
It was meant as a general observation at the level of comments on here about the performance and no it wasn't a good match and no i didn't join the other saddos in the mexican wave. I've spent a lot more than €50 to watch ireland play and will always support them unlike others here who are out for a jolly with their prawn sandwiches or whatever it is they bring with them to Croker. 3 points is great but if there isn't an improvement we'll get hockeyed in the latter stages.
You poor man spending your €50.00 to watch Ireland. No doubt you enjoyed the wave and participated in it but still felt hard done by that you weren't entertained. I don't believe I have EVER gone to an Irish game thinking about being entertained. I go to support the team and to see them win. Anything else is a bonus.
I'll give your suggestion on the porn a miss though thanks all the same !!
Thats just a poor excuse for mediocrity. Bellamy and Giggs excluded, Wales had rubbish playing for them and they still dominated us for a large part of the game.
We don't expect Brazil, but some of us do actually like to see the team play well and with confidence after they score a goal.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
Criticism isnt necessarily abuse no. But criticism with no positives is not proper critique... and it can become abuse.
My God....if there are no positives at hand then how can you be positive and up to now there haven't been any besides the very slight glimmer of hope and false dawn that was the Czech game. Most of the stuff I've read has been fair and free from personal abuse but then I won't read the rags.
Lets say Keane was in charge for that game on Saturday and we win 1-0. Same performance. Would the media response and the postings on here be the same. I dont think so!
At this point i think people are hoping we get beat for no other reason than to get rid of Staunton. If we keep getting the results turn in better performances, is the critism going to stop or has it gone beyond that for most people?
England have "world class players" and have not scored in four or five games. Ireland have average players and are winning games and getting points. If we continue getting the results and the performances continue to get better, people need to give credit where credit is due and stop with the slating of our National team and manager. If we qualify will it stop? What is required to stop the Negativity?
Last edited by Dallasirish; 27/03/2007 at 2:41 PM.
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