St Pats Take over.

[Dodge]

whats to demolish?

[Kingdom]

not being smart but whats the current capacity? 6k tops? Both ends seem cráp and it would seem logical if ye're build a top notch ground better to start all over.

[SÓC]

Is this the same guy who purchased McDowells for Pats last year?

If it is does that not set off alarm bells for Pats fans in terms of lovely roadside access to that site...?

[Dodge]

It'd set off more alarms if he bougt McDowells and didn't buy into the club...

[paudie]

It'd set off more alarms if he bougt McDowells and didn't buy into the club...

Eh, why?

If he just owned the pub how would that affect Pats if he didn't own Richmond Park? Pats have their own access to the main road.

At a glance it looks like a developer buying a pretty large valuable land bank, that happens to include Richmond Park.

Not winding ye up, I really hope it turns out as ye hope cos it looks like the Drogs deal may end in tears and the league doesn't need another one.

[Dodge]

Yeah the Drogheda deal was doomed with their underhandedness. Have a google on this guy and see what you make of him. The land at Inchicore is worth sod all in real terms to this guy, and not worth the effort for a minimal return.

I'd be down as cautiously optimistic rather than the cartwheeling Pats fans. The Brian Kerr thing is a huge huge plus

[chippie0001]

1 If when , rovers should be a lesson in how things work, letting fasn run a club is complete madness, and letting bohs fans run a club is comcial, how long has Connor got?

2* return in the EL? if you put in 25 mill as kelleher is what can you honestly get back? 400k if you do 4 in a row? there is no money to be made unless 2 things happens you sell one player to PL every year and get into the CL. you must be apart of the bohs running staff if you believe you will get a return out of a El club.

* Kelleher is a buisness man he wil get a return for the club out of the pub and flats and AFL team. Bohs fans/club are not all they are doing is ****ing 40 million into the wind in a mad belief they will be better than Rovers, unless you have a strategy to retain the investment and and capitilise on ehh stuff you ehh own umm sorry after taking the 40 million and running im kinda lost on the plan to keep Bohs at the top of the league.


3 he did you told him to feck off as you just agreed your own deal to move out of Dublin City.

Pats living of Shels and Bohs scraps and loving it


kdjac

Can I have some of those drugs please. We will own our own pitch when the deal is complete. Not some business man owning it for us. We will have as much money as Kelleher is putting into Pats to do exactly as you want to do. Kelleher bought Pats as he bought all the land around you and has a plan to do something with the site. He could n ot have done that at Dalymount so stop waffling that we turned him down. I don't believe you will get a return out of a LOI club, hence why I would not want an "investor" to own my club, you contradict yourslef.

As for your points WWS, investment is good and if its genuine great. I would rather be the ruler of my own destiny though and not have my club as part of a grander scheme of appartments, centres etc and a football stadium. If someone came in and said they would build a 10,000 stadium, a youth academy etc etc so strings attached, no alternatibe agenda great. Kelleher however has plan that Pats are part of, not plans that centre on Pats.

As I said I would rather be in control of our own future, we will have a new stadium, loads of cash and hopefully plans to ensure we stay top of the pile, if we ever get there.

[Billy Lord]

rovers should be a lesson in how things work, letting fasn run a club is complete madness,

Could you explain this, please?

[wws]

As for your points WWS, investment is good and if its genuine great. I would rather be the ruler of my own destiny though and not have my club as part of a grander scheme of appartments, centres etc and a football stadium. If someone came in and said they would build a 10,000 stadium, a youth academy etc etc so strings attached, no alternatibe agenda great. Kelleher however has plan that Pats are part of, not plans that centre on Pats.

As I said I would rather be in control of our own future, we will have a new stadium, loads of cash and hopefully plans to ensure we stay top of the pile, if we ever get there.

Chippie who exactly rules the bohs destiny? a very small group of people, who basically present the odd plan to the members and NEVER have any difficulty selling their version of events. By your own admission the Bohs membership is not very proactive and most of the members seem happy to have the whole thing run for them with little dissent/contrary views etc etc. I'd hold fire on statements such as "deal not centred on Pats" until you see the public version of the plans. The developer of the biggest building in the world isnt interested in the paltry margin on 25 mill he can make from a site in Inchicore (25 mill is the cost of THE landmark site in the area - the Kilmainham Hilton), he certainly isnt interested in the negative publicity to be garnered from selling out a community in a public fashion - eh hello? he develops stuff in this town as well - is he gonna irrevocably blot his copybook with the city planners - eh I dont think so!

[cheifo]

Judging by the Pr effort I have no doubt this is a genuine opportunity for Pats to move seriously forward.The media dont like to be used.I dont think he would want to blacken his name in the locality or nationally when hes already
got millionsworth of property.

[chippie0001]

Chippie who exactly rules the bohs destiny? a very small group of people, who basically present the odd plan to the members and NEVER have any difficulty selling their version of events. By your own admission the Bohs membership is not very proactive and most of the members seem happy to have the whole thing run for them with little dissent/contrary views etc etc.

Would not disagree with that, but that is the members perogative as such. That can change over time and hopefully it will. I would still rather be in the situation above with some chance of change, that looking from the outside in with no chance of change. I hope Kellher does everything he says he will, and I hope its all for the good of Pats and not for his wallet. Can be a cynic but I doubt it. Anything that brings the league up if its on a firm base can only be good for the rest of us.

[NY Hoop]

Could you explain this, please?

Dont bother. He's always anti Rovers.

Genuinely hope that this works cos Richmond is a great old LOI ground with character and soul and crucially it has potential.

Would be worried if Kelliher was in on this on his own but with Kerr there it doesnt seem like Pats are being hoodwinked.

Would only listen to Pats fans on this so is there any link or official statement on what the proposed plans for Richmond are? Its not on the official website.

Would I be right in assuming that he plans to buy up the houses on Emmet Road from McDowells down to the apartments?


KOH

[Dodge]

To be Honest NY Hoop, only a select few have seen them. My sister in law seen them but has no interest in football at all and trying to get info out of her is harder than explaining the offside rule. We've been told most of them and like I said they're fairly ambitious.

From what I recall the idea is to buy the houses on Emmet Road that back out on to Richmond (Some of which are already purchased) The factories at the Inchicore End have apparently been purchased., and we already own the land on the far side of the Camac, with rights to an access point through the park on Inchicore Road.

The "academy" will be based in the area where the factories are now and will host pool, gym, astro pitches etc. All these will be available to the public. Apartments and shops to be built but can't remember if these are at the Inchicore end or on Emmet Road. The shops/apartments would not be a huge amount and the idea is tht rents received would be a constant revenue stream.

The ground would be developed on four sides. Inchicore end to be developed in tandem with the other facilities. Camac side would see the camac either piped or re-routed slightly and the stand built over this. Kilmainham end (Shed end) would see a small stand built in line with the others. Like I said this is 2nd/3rd hand info

[BohsPartisan]

Chippie who exactly rules the bohs destiny? a very small group of people, who basically present the odd plan to the members and NEVER have any difficulty selling their version of events.

the proposed Shels groundshare was opposed en masse by the membership.

Also, a lot of suggestions were made at members meetings with regards to safegaurds against us getting screwed.

[NY Hoop]

To be Honest NY Hoop, only a select few have seen them. My sister in law seen them but has no interest in football at all and trying to get info out of her is harder than explaining the offside rule. We've been told most of them and like I said they're fairly ambitious.

From what I recall the idea is to buy the houses on Emmet Road that back out on to Richmond (Some of which are already purchased) The factories at the Inchicore End have apparently been purchased., and we already own the land on the far side of the Camac, with rights to an access point through the park on Inchicore Road.

The "academy" will be based in the area where the factories are now and will host pool, gym, astro pitches etc. All these will be available to the public. Apartments and shops to be built but can't remember if these are at the Inchicore end or on Emmet Road. The shops/apartments would not be a huge amount and the idea is tht rents received would be a constant revenue stream.

The ground would be developed on four sides. Inchicore end to be developed in tandem with the other facilities. Camac side would see the camac either piped or re-routed slightly and the stand built over this. Kilmainham end (Shed end) would see a small stand built in line with the others. Like I said this is 2nd/3rd hand info

Thanks for that. Sounds promising but believe it when I see it I suppose. Would Pats fans not be entitled to see the plans or will there be a meeting to explain all?


KOH

[WeAreRovers]

I hope that Richmond stays a football ground - after all the other 3 famous grounds are gone or soon will be - but to say that an investor is the only way forward and fans owning a club is crazy is a ridiculous statement.

Without fan ownership, we'd be out of business and Bohs would never have done the deal they've done. Look at Shels and now Drogheda and possibly Pats. That's what Bohs would have been faced with without being a members club.

In one scenario, you have a wealthy, fan-owned Bohs in a new ground, Pats in a re-developed Richmond with a wealthy owner - see the difference? - and a fan-owned Rovers in a municipal ground. That's 3 different models and I know the one I'd prefer, or rather the one I rather not have.

We are going down the European road, Pats are following the British model (ie Pats owner is) and Bohs are doing something relatively new and I think we can discount Shels. Exciting times ahead....hopefully.

KOH

[Ebmania]

Thanks for that. Sounds promising but believe it when I see it I suppose. Would Pats fans not be entitled to see the plans or will there be a meeting to explain all?


KOH

Yes a general meetings took place to talk about the move out of Richmond so would hope there will be a meeting on the bright new future.

[DvB]

I hope that Richmond stays a football ground - after all the other 3 famous grounds are gone or soon will be - but to say that an investor is the only way forward and fans owning a club is crazy is a ridiculous statement.

Without fan ownership, we'd be out of business and Bohs would never have done the deal they've done. Look at Shels and now Drogheda and possibly Pats. That's what Bohs would have been faced with without being a members club.

In one scenario, you have a wealthy, fan-owned Bohs in a new ground, Pats in a re-developed Richmond with a wealthy owner - see the difference? - and a fan-owned Rovers in a municipal ground. That's 3 different models and I know the one I'd prefer, or rather the one I rather not have.

We are going down the European road, Pats are following the British model (ie Pats owner is) and Bohs are doing something relatively new and I think we can discount Shels. Exciting times ahead....hopefully.

KOH

A nice summary!

Koh

[Dodge]

Thanks for that. Sounds promising but believe it when I see it I suppose. Would Pats fans not be entitled to see the plans or will there be a meeting to explain all?

AFAIK the meeting has already been asked for. As the announcement was only Tuesday and GK was in Chicago, its fair enough to give him a bit of time. We'll see whats in the programme tommorow. Also these plans were submitted months ago, long before he actually got involved. A lot may have changed since then...

[Jerry The Saint]

Without fan ownership, we'd be out of business

Y'see this is why it's a bad thing.