eircom League 2007 Attendances

[John83]

Stu ... all you can do is criticise and call us liars get a life id say most UCD fans are embarrased by your posts today.

I'd rather you didn't speak for us. Myself, I see a conversation that pretty much goes:

Pineapple stu: Your club is doing this wrong.
Fans of Club: Nuh-uh!
PS: No, look, I have figures. Well, estimates. Here, I have a powerpoint presentation which should clear it all up.
Fans: Witch! (Err, we mean 'Obsessed!')

Some time later, Pineapple stu emails me a newspaper article about the club going bankrupt or something.

Now, here's my theory. Pineapple stu is a witch, and anyone who calls him names risks having their club send to the first division like Shelbourne.

[Patrick Dunne]

Its very easy to be 50% out with crowd estimates.

I thought there were 2 UCD supporters at the game last Friday, it turns out
that there were 3.

[Rovers fan]

The most stupid argument ever!
Pineapple stu: get over it
GUFC fans: don't reply and he'll get over it!

[pineapple stu]

Stu - you should send Galway a trophy for 'best estimated attendances' award for 2007

Was thinking of sending them an award for Most Members of the Invisible Man's Family at a Game, actually. Credit where it's due; the league needs innovative promotions like that.

Got PMed a couple of Bohs' attendances - 949 v UCD: 949, 1430 v Longford and 1331 v Galway (think it was only a guesstimate in before? Exactly 1800 is what I had.

Going on all that, here's the first final update for the season. (2) is a game in the second series of matches. Figures in brackets are averages in previous seasons.

PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 1,924 (2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976; 2004 - 2,340)
Bray - 1,200 (1,027; 1,550; 818 FD)
Cork - 2,990 (2,941; 3,644; 4,033) (missing St Pat's 2)
Derry - 2,614 (3,229; 2,698; 1,672) (missing Bohs 2, Longford and Waterford)
Drogheda - 1,919 (1,751; 1,682; 1,554) (missing Bray 2 and Sligo 2)
Galway - 2,199 (1,148 FD; 566 FD; 571 FD)
Longford - 910 (681; 1,004; 1,131) (missing Bray 2 and Waterford 2)
Pat's - 1,892 (1,342; 1,599; 1,882) (missing Drogheda 2)
Rovers - 1,819 (1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349) (missing Sligo 2 and Waterford 2)
Sligo - 1,513 (1,806; 1,794 FD; 781 FD) (missing Cork 2, Pat's 2 and Waterford 2)
UCD - 663 (546; 653; 306 FD)
Waterford - 1,181 (915; 1,513; 1,753)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 670 (421; 316; 291)
Cobh - 674 (368; 403; 240) (missing Wexford 2)
Dundalk - 1,406 (1,078; 474; 591)
Harps - 1,164 (428; 1,347 PD; 1,106)
Kildare - 243 (265; 186; 298)
Kilkenny - 186 (122; 185; 110) (missing Kildare 2, Monaghan (both) and Wexford 2)
Limerick - 678 (364; 669; 188) (missing Monaghan 2)
Monaghan - 292 (204; 183; 182) (missing Cobh 2, Kildare 2, Kilkenny 2, Shels 2 and Wexford 2)
Shels - 888 (1,690 PD; 1,949 PD; 2,158 PD)
Wexford - 819 (n/a) (missing Dundalk 2)

Premier Division average - 1,712 (1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 726 (570; 520; 512)

Overall average - 1,244 (1,070; 1,195; 1,218)

FD is an average crowd in the First Division; PD is an average crowd in the Premier Division. I've only put that in where the attendances was when the club was in a different one to their current division.

I'm going to see what comes up here in the next couple of days, then put a few posts on the various club forums to fill in the gaps. Have figures from 94% of Premier Division games and 93% of First Division games.

Interesting to note that, despite the best efforts of the various CPOs, this season's overall average is a mere 49 more than 2005, if you take it that a large reason for last year's drop was the World Cup halving attendances for three rounds. And in 2005, we had Dublin City (average crowd 175), where now we have Wexford (average 819).

[pineapple stu]

Couple of other stats - final rankings

PREMIER DIVISION
Team	        Average	Games	Top
Cork City	 2,990 	15	 5,000 
Derry City	 2,614 	14	 4,000 
Galway United	 2,199 	17	 3,314 
Bohemians	 1,924 	17	 3,572 
Drogheda United	 1,919 	16	 3,000 
St Pat's Ath	 1,892 	15	 3,728 
Shamrock Rovers	 1,819 	14	 4,207 
Sligo Rovers	 1,513 	13	 2,600 
Bray Wanderers	 1,200 	16	 2,700 
Waterford Utd	 1,181 	17	 2,700 
Longford Town	 910 	15	 2,100 
UCD	         663 	17	 1,645

FIRST DIVISION			
Team	        Average	Games	Top
Dundalk	         1,406 	18	 2,500 
Finn Harps	 1,164 	18	 3,100 
Shelbourne	 888 	18	 1,896 
Wexford Youths	 819 	17	 2,130 
Limerick FC	 678 	17	 1,514 
Cobh Ramblers	 674 	17	 1,500 
Athlone Town	 670 	18	 2,000 
Monaghan United	 292 	13	 850 
Kildare County	 243 	18	 510 
Kilkenny City	 186 	14	 800

[pineapple stu]

Percentage changes over the past three season...

Club	        Overall	  2007	  2006	  2005
Athlone Town	130.75%	 59.33%	 33.21%	  8.72%
Bohemians	-17.77%	 31.54%	-25.97%	-15.56%
Bray Wanderers	 46.76%	 16.88%	-33.76%	 89.57%
Cobh Ramblers	180.25%	 82.94%	 -8.49%	 67.40%
Cork City	-25.87%	  1.68%	-19.31%	 -9.64%
Derry City	 56.34%	-19.04%	 19.69%	 61.33%
Drogheda United	 23.47%	  9.60%	  4.08%	  8.24%
Dundalk	        137.76%	 30.41%	127.38%	-19.82%
Finn Harps	  5.19%	172.03%	-68.23%	 21.73%
Galway United	285.12%	 91.49%	102.77%	 -0.82%
Kildare County	-18.55%	 -8.65%	 42.47%	-37.41%
Kilkenny City	 69.54%	 53.05%	-34.05%	 67.96%
Limerick FC	259.82%	 86.06%	-45.52%	254.95%
Longford Town	-19.51%	 33.55%	-32.14%	-11.18%
Monaghan United	 59.98%	 43.22%	 11.09%	  0.55%
St Pat's Ath	  0.52%	 40.97%	-16.06%	-15.06%
Shamrock Rovers	 34.85%	 66.98%	-29.19%	 14.05%
Shelbourne	-58.85%	-47.45%	-13.27%	 -9.72%
Sligo Rovers	 93.68%	-16.19%	  0.63%	129.67%
UCD	        116.57%	 21.53%	-16.43%	113.24%
Waterford Utd	-32.62%	 29.12%	-39.52%	-13.72%

"Overall" is the change from 2004 to 2007; other columns are season on season changes. Seasons in bold indicate a new division (i.e. promoted or relegated the previous season).

[pete]

City v Bohs was reported in the media as 5000 but I can't see how those numbers add up. 4000 a better estimate.

It was mentioned in the programme (matchday magazine) in same game that attendances up i think 18% (need to double check) this season before the last league game. I don't know if that league games or all games, an average or a total figure. Make of it what you will...

[oriel]

Pineapple - thanks again for taking the time to co-ordinate all of this during the season, I really enjoyed reading this section of the site.

[WoodquayBoy]

Yes, well done, it was interesting to see how clubs were doing

[Battery Rover]

Well done Stu on keeping everything up to date as it was nice to be able see how the league was doing as a whole.

Will buy you a pint if I happen to meet you in Cardiff on Saturday

[pineapple stu]

Now that sounds rather a tempting and unexpected offer!

[JC_GUFC]

You'll have to estimate the crowd in the bar to within 5% though to win the pint!

[John83]

You'll have to estimate the crowd in the bar to within 5% though to win the pint!

That's Schumi's job.

[CollegeTillIDie]

JC_GUFC

Trust you to blow the whistle on that deal !

[Battery Rover]

You'll have to estimate the crowd in the bar to within 5% though to win the pint!

Or I could get someone from Galway to estimate it for him and I would definitely keep my pint

[WindmillWarrior]

Drogheda - 1,919 (1,751; 1,682; 1,554) (missing Bray 2 and Sligo 2)

Gave you these in an earlier post Stu:

Drogs Sligo around 1,800.

Drogs Bray around 3,000.

[soylent green]

Rovers - 1,819 (1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349) (missing Sligo 2 and Waterford 2)
.

Rovers v Sligo 2 = 745
Rovers v Waterford 2 = 1,233

[paudie]

According to Adrian Desmond , Club Promotion Officer, in the City v Bohs programme City's league attendances for the season were up 21.5%, not including that game obviously.

[Finlay Harp]

I know the averages have been calculated, but just as a sideline Harps had around 3,000 against Dundalk in the play off semi final on Friday night.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well looks like this convuluted Play off system is going to be good for something anyway.
Harps' Bank Manager cannot wipe the smile off his face.