QuoteIts very easy to be 50% out with crowd estimates.
I thought there were 2 UCD supporters at the game last Friday, it turns out
that there were 3.
I'd rather you didn't speak for us. Myself, I see a conversation that pretty much goes:Originally Posted by gufct
Pineapple stu: Your club is doing this wrong.
Fans of Club: Nuh-uh!
PS: No, look, I have figures. Well, estimates. Here, I have a powerpoint presentation which should clear it all up.
Fans: Witch! (Err, we mean 'Obsessed!')
Some time later, Pineapple stu emails me a newspaper article about the club going bankrupt or something.
Now, here's my theory. Pineapple stu is a witch, and anyone who calls him names risks having their club send to the first division like Shelbourne.
You can't spell failure without FAI
Its very easy to be 50% out with crowd estimates.
I thought there were 2 UCD supporters at the game last Friday, it turns out
that there were 3.
The most stupid argument ever!
Pineapple stu: get over it
GUFC fans: don't reply and he'll get over it!
Was thinking of sending them an award for Most Members of the Invisible Man's Family at a Game, actually. Credit where it's due; the league needs innovative promotions like that.
Got PMed a couple of Bohs' attendances - 949 v UCD: 949, 1430 v Longford and 1331 v Galway (think it was only a guesstimate in before? Exactly 1800 is what I had.
Going on all that, here's the first final update for the season. (2) is a game in the second series of matches. Figures in brackets are averages in previous seasons.
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 1,924 (2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976; 2004 - 2,340)
Bray - 1,200 (1,027; 1,550; 818 FD)
Cork - 2,990 (2,941; 3,644; 4,033) (missing St Pat's 2)
Derry - 2,614 (3,229; 2,698; 1,672) (missing Bohs 2, Longford and Waterford)
Drogheda - 1,919 (1,751; 1,682; 1,554) (missing Bray 2 and Sligo 2)
Galway - 2,199 (1,148 FD; 566 FD; 571 FD)
Longford - 910 (681; 1,004; 1,131) (missing Bray 2 and Waterford 2)
Pat's - 1,892 (1,342; 1,599; 1,882) (missing Drogheda 2)
Rovers - 1,819 (1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349) (missing Sligo 2 and Waterford 2)
Sligo - 1,513 (1,806; 1,794 FD; 781 FD) (missing Cork 2, Pat's 2 and Waterford 2)
UCD - 663 (546; 653; 306 FD)
Waterford - 1,181 (915; 1,513; 1,753)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 670 (421; 316; 291)
Cobh - 674 (368; 403; 240) (missing Wexford 2)
Dundalk - 1,406 (1,078; 474; 591)
Harps - 1,164 (428; 1,347 PD; 1,106)
Kildare - 243 (265; 186; 298)
Kilkenny - 186 (122; 185; 110) (missing Kildare 2, Monaghan (both) and Wexford 2)
Limerick - 678 (364; 669; 188) (missing Monaghan 2)
Monaghan - 292 (204; 183; 182) (missing Cobh 2, Kildare 2, Kilkenny 2, Shels 2 and Wexford 2)
Shels - 888 (1,690 PD; 1,949 PD; 2,158 PD)
Wexford - 819 (n/a) (missing Dundalk 2)
Premier Division average - 1,712 (1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 726 (570; 520; 512)
Overall average - 1,244 (1,070; 1,195; 1,218)
FD is an average crowd in the First Division; PD is an average crowd in the Premier Division. I've only put that in where the attendances was when the club was in a different one to their current division.
I'm going to see what comes up here in the next couple of days, then put a few posts on the various club forums to fill in the gaps. Have figures from 94% of Premier Division games and 93% of First Division games.
Interesting to note that, despite the best efforts of the various CPOs, this season's overall average is a mere 49 more than 2005, if you take it that a large reason for last year's drop was the World Cup halving attendances for three rounds. And in 2005, we had Dublin City (average crowd 175), where now we have Wexford (average 819).
Couple of other stats - final rankings
Code:PREMIER DIVISION Team Average Games Top Cork City 2,990 15 5,000 Derry City 2,614 14 4,000 Galway United 2,199 17 3,314 Bohemians 1,924 17 3,572 Drogheda United 1,919 16 3,000 St Pat's Ath 1,892 15 3,728 Shamrock Rovers 1,819 14 4,207 Sligo Rovers 1,513 13 2,600 Bray Wanderers 1,200 16 2,700 Waterford Utd 1,181 17 2,700 Longford Town 910 15 2,100 UCD 663 17 1,645Code:FIRST DIVISION Team Average Games Top Dundalk 1,406 18 2,500 Finn Harps 1,164 18 3,100 Shelbourne 888 18 1,896 Wexford Youths 819 17 2,130 Limerick FC 678 17 1,514 Cobh Ramblers 674 17 1,500 Athlone Town 670 18 2,000 Monaghan United 292 13 850 Kildare County 243 18 510 Kilkenny City 186 14 800
Percentage changes over the past three season...
"Overall" is the change from 2004 to 2007; other columns are season on season changes. Seasons in bold indicate a new division (i.e. promoted or relegated the previous season).Code:Club Overall 2007 2006 2005 Athlone Town 130.75% 59.33% 33.21% 8.72% Bohemians -17.77% 31.54% -25.97% -15.56% Bray Wanderers 46.76% 16.88% -33.76% 89.57% Cobh Ramblers 180.25% 82.94% -8.49% 67.40% Cork City -25.87% 1.68% -19.31% -9.64% Derry City 56.34% -19.04% 19.69% 61.33% Drogheda United 23.47% 9.60% 4.08% 8.24% Dundalk 137.76% 30.41% 127.38% -19.82% Finn Harps 5.19% 172.03% -68.23% 21.73% Galway United 285.12% 91.49% 102.77% -0.82% Kildare County -18.55% -8.65% 42.47% -37.41% Kilkenny City 69.54% 53.05% -34.05% 67.96% Limerick FC 259.82% 86.06% -45.52% 254.95% Longford Town -19.51% 33.55% -32.14% -11.18% Monaghan United 59.98% 43.22% 11.09% 0.55% St Pat's Ath 0.52% 40.97% -16.06% -15.06% Shamrock Rovers 34.85% 66.98% -29.19% 14.05% Shelbourne -58.85% -47.45% -13.27% -9.72% Sligo Rovers 93.68% -16.19% 0.63% 129.67% UCD 116.57% 21.53% -16.43% 113.24% Waterford Utd -32.62% 29.12% -39.52% -13.72%
Last edited by pineapple stu; 12/11/2007 at 10:03 PM.
City v Bohs was reported in the media as 5000 but I can't see how those numbers add up. 4000 a better estimate.
It was mentioned in the programme (matchday magazine) in same game that attendances up i think 18% (need to double check) this season before the last league game. I don't know if that league games or all games, an average or a total figure. Make of it what you will...
Pineapple - thanks again for taking the time to co-ordinate all of this during the season, I really enjoyed reading this section of the site.
#DundalkFC - First Irish club to win an away game in Europe (1963), only Irish club to win a game / points in Europa League Group Stage (2016).
Yes, well done, it was interesting to see how clubs were doing
"Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins."
"Homer Simpson, smiling politely."
Now that sounds rather a tempting and unexpected offer!
You'll have to estimate the crowd in the bar to within 5% though to win the pint!
I phoned the speaking clock to hear a voice speak, it said - "At the tone you will be very much alone"
That's Schumi's job.You'll have to estimate the crowd in the bar to within 5% though to win the pint!
You can't spell failure without FAI
JC_GUFC
Trust you to blow the whistle on that deal !
Gave you these in an earlier post Stu:
Drogs Sligo around 1,800.
Drogs Bray around 3,000.
Rovers v Sligo 2 = 745
Rovers v Waterford 2 = 1,233
According to Adrian Desmond , Club Promotion Officer, in the City v Bohs programme City's league attendances for the season were up 21.5%, not including that game obviously.
I'm what? I'm ants at a picnic?
I know the averages have been calculated, but just as a sideline Harps had around 3,000 against Dundalk in the play off semi final on Friday night.
Say nothin til ya hear more!
Well looks like this convuluted Play off system is going to be good for something anyway.
Harps' Bank Manager cannot wipe the smile off his face.
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