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    Quote Originally Posted by reder View Post
    Thought Ireland were very lucky on sat. Next weekend should be fascinating. Think we will beat Italy but not by much as they will be in great form but fear france will thrash the scots. The scots will fall to pieces away from home. I think wales v england will to too close to have any effect on the championship.

    I think the 'deliberate attempt to choke O'Gara' comment was used to try and deflect the attention away from the poor performance by our lads. O' Gara made a meal out of it, lying on the ground, he was never out. He could have easily stood up but choose to lie on the ground.

    Before anyone starts to get into the detail of choking or strangling, i have studied judo for most of my life and know exactly how to apply a joke properly. "Grogginess" comes after being strangled or choked out cold or almost being out cold. If the scots applied the choked properly to any degree, o' gara would have been out cold given the amount of time the scot applied the choke for.
    His eyes are lolling to the sides and his lips are blue in the photo in todays papers.

    He was clearly out cold, therefore surely you have just reinforced the point?!

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    yes well said geysir. sunday independent photos showed hayes literally putting his hands in his mouth to make sure he hadn't swallowed his tongue. he was out cold. no questoin.

    and anybody with any sense of humour can apply jokes properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Minnowism.
    How is it "miinowism" if it has only been achieved 9 time in 120+ years or perhaps that's because we are minnows in the world of rugby? It is obviously something extremely hard to do for Ireland. Wait until this present crop of good players goes. We'll be back to hoping another triple crown will come round in 30 years time.

    That under our belts, it's now the target to beat the Italians by 5 points more than the French beat the Scots. Hope all the games are on at the same time.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Games are staggered for TV as they have been for the last (good)few years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    How is it "miinowism" if it has only been achieved 9 time in 120+ years or perhaps that's because we are minnows in the world of rugby? It is obviously something extremely hard to do for Ireland. Wait until this present crop of good players goes. We'll be back to hoping another triple crown will come round in 30 years time.

    That under our belts, it's now the target to beat the Italians by 5 points more than the French beat the Scots. Hope all the games are on at the same time.
    As Brent Pope and Conor O'Shea said we should base our expectations on how we perform against the current set-ups potential.

    If you accept the hypothesis that we've been mostly crap in the past therefore any improvement on this is to be welcomed, then we'll never really improve.

    You are correct that we will in all probability fall in the world rankings sooner rather than later as the current team goes past its peak (and that as a nation with small playing numbers we will struggle to produce enough quality replacements). However, surely that only reinforces the case that we should strive to reach our full potential now when we can.

    This team has shown it has enough, on its day, to be the 2nd best in the world. However we have failed to show this form regularly enough.

    Put basically, I don't see why the nations expectations should be materially lower than the teams.

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    hopefully the Scots do us a favour. The French were dreadful yesterday. The Italians at home always worry me, before the tournament started I thought it was the best time to play them because they have usually lost a few and fairly battered and bruised but two wins on the trot means their tails are up and a 6 points tally is not impossible for em.
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    IRB World Rankings 12/03/2007 Position
    (last week) Member Union Rating points
    1(1) NEW ZEALAND 94.59
    2(2) FRANCE 85.66
    3(3) AUSTRALIA 85.55
    4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.71
    5(5) IRELAND 84.65
    6(7) Ranking Climber ENGLAND 80.61
    7(6) Ranking Faller ARGENTINA 79.61
    8(9) Ranking Climber ITALY 76.05
    9(8) Ranking Faller WALES 75.00
    10(10) SCOTLAND 73.94

    Surprised Ireland not past SA at this stage but no idea how those points calculated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    IRB World Rankings 12/03/2007 Position
    (last week) Member Union Rating points
    1(1) NEW ZEALAND 94.59
    2(2) FRANCE 85.66
    3(3) AUSTRALIA 85.55
    4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.71
    5(5) IRELAND 84.65
    6(7) Ranking Climber ENGLAND 80.61
    7(6) Ranking Faller ARGENTINA 79.61
    8(9) Ranking Climber ITALY 76.05
    9(8) Ranking Faller WALES 75.00
    10(10) SCOTLAND 73.94

    Surprised Ireland not past SA at this stage but no idea how those points calculated.
    Had we beaten France we'd have been 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    IRB World Rankings 12/03/2007 Position
    (last week) Member Union Rating points

    2(2) FRANCE 85.66
    3(3) AUSTRALIA 85.55
    4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.71
    5(5) IRELAND 84.65
    Very tight there alright. Disgraceful that our group in the World Cup contains 3 of the top 6/7 teams.

    Ridiculous that England would be No. 1 seeds based on their form 4 years ago - what's the point in having these rankings if they will never be used for any meaningful purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Surprised Ireland not past SA at this stage but no idea how those points calculated.
    http://www.irb.com/EN/World+Rankings...g+Explanation/
    Unfortunatly it's FIFAesque, ie. not your 2 points a win 1 for a draw pint of plain garden variety league table.

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    Great news that Brian Carney could join Munster today. It will boost up our backline for the world cup, I dont think he'll be a starter but a good option on the bench!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGKyne View Post
    Great news that Brian Carney could join Munster today. It will boost up our backline for the world cup, I dont think he'll be a starter but a good option on the bench!
    I'll eat my hat if he makes the World Cup squad.

    And I don't even own a hat.

    There are at least 5 wingers ahead of him.

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    It will all come down to if he adaptes to the game quick enough. I think he could be a good asset if he does. Big, powerful and quick!!
    I can only see Hickie, Horgan, Trimble, ahead of him, Murphy is more suited to full-back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGKyne View Post
    I can only see Hickie, Horgan, Trimble, ahead of him, Murphy is more suited to full-back!
    But is still ahead in the pecking order for a spot on the wing, as are Kearney and Fitzgerald.

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    Point taken, but i think Fitzgerald has alot more to prove but the same can be said about Carney in Union. The IRFU wouldnt sign him if they thought he wasn't capable of doing a job for Ireland, I'm sure Eddie as been consulted on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGKyne View Post
    Point taken, but i think Fitzgerald has alot more to prove but the same can be said about Carney in Union. The IRFU wouldnt sign him if they thought he wasn't capable of doing a job for Ireland, I'm sure Eddie as been consulted on the matter.
    That's certainly true but at the same time, he only left school last year.

    Ireland isn't short of wingers, we could take a few injuries there and still put out a strong team, so it's not really critical who's on the bench.

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    I hope he does sign anyway, more quality players chose from. All we need now is a couple of props and a quality back-up for O'Gara

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