RTE Panel and the Champions League

**jebus** · 07/03/2007, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

This is the "free-flowing attacking football" that produced less than 50% of the shots at goal against us at Anfield.

This is the shower of would be world-beaters, that would wipe the floor off everyone this season, yet when they had 20 minutes to save rescue their European Cup hopes, couldn't even manage a shot on target to do it.

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.

Originally Posted by mypost

The RTE panel meanwhile, are a bunch of Man-Ure lovers, who were whinging that the hated Liverpool had the temerity to beat the Nou Camp blokes, again.

Oh yeah forgot that 'Mr. Arsenal' Liam Brady, the man who constantly has a go at Ronaldo, Rooney and Ferguson, Eamon Dunphy, and John Giles, who has never shown any particular liking for Man Utd are all 'Man Ure Lovers'.

sort your arguments out before you bother posting would you

**Roadend** · 07/03/2007, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game.

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Maybe you should watch more games, Mikel has been turd in every game I've seen him in.

**dfx-** · 07/03/2007, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game.

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Over-hyped and over-rated though he is, I'll take Gerrard ahead of a 19 year old who plays well once.

Playing well once is the sort of thing that got Diao into the side. No thanks.

**WeAreRovers** · 07/03/2007, 3:03 PM

For the last bleedin' time - a 19-year-old kid played better last night than the hyped-up English midfielders like Gerrard and Lamaprd ever do. The fact that Liverpool fans feel the need to defend their hero against one game by a kid says it all.

Anyway, as Dodge points out Fabregas is the best midfielder in the Premiership. But he doesn't need the hype of the media and the paranoia of his club's fans to make that so.

TBH I'd even rate Carrick higher than Gerrard. At least he can pass the ball.

KOH

**Roadend** · 07/03/2007, 3:08 PM

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.

**WeAreRovers** · 07/03/2007, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by Roadend

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la".

KOH

**Roadend** · 07/03/2007, 3:17 PM

The opta stats will diagree with you there, but then what are facts in that face of your opninon.

**drinkfeckarse** · 07/03/2007, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la".

KOH

Carragher is an excellent defender. Poor distribution I'll give you that but if you think he's a poor defender then you don't really know much about defending at all.

**Dodge** · 07/03/2007, 3:22 PM

Carragher's a great example of a limited player who gets the absolute maximum out of his talent. The likes of Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard would do well to have a look at what Carragher has achieved. IMO only Woodgate is abetter English centre half

**dfx-** · 07/03/2007, 3:22 PM

He's on a wind up...first Gerrard, then Carrick and now moving onto Carragher. I'd almost miss NY Hoop's attempts by comparison.

**NY Hoop** · 07/03/2007, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.

You're not wrong. Any Irish person that refers to an english club as "we" or "us" cannot be taken seriously. Because the media say Gerrard is world class they think he is. Sure the stupid paddies only "support" liverpool because everyone else does anyway

Gerrard scores some great goals from distance and without him his average team mates would be lost. That's not world class no matter what sky sports tell you.

KOH

**dfx-** · 07/03/2007, 3:42 PM

The actim indices ratings are supposed to be excellent gauges for quality in football.

Here are the current stats:

Top 10 overall

As at: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:35
Name Team Index Score
1 didier drogba Chelsea 493
2 cristiano ronaldo Manchester United 492
3 frank lampard Chelsea 473
4 gareth barry Aston Villa 441
5 wayne rooney Manchester United 433
6 mikel arteta Everton 425
7 steve finnan Liverpool 422
8 steven gerrard Liverpool 404
9 rio ferdinand Manchester United 396
10 el-hadji diouf Bolton Wanderers 395

Top 5 Keepers:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 marcus hahnemann 378 14 Reading
2 edwin van der sar 371 16 Manchester United
3 david james 366 20 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 359 23 Liverpool
5 tim howard 343 32 Everton

Top 5 Defenders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 steve finnan 422 7 Liverpool
2 rio ferdinand 396 9 Manchester United
3 gary neville 385 13 Manchester United
4 matthew taylor 366 21 Portsmouth
5 nicky shorey 364 22 Reading

Top 5 Midfielders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 cristiano ronaldo 492 2 Manchester United
2 frank lampard 473 3 Chelsea
3 gareth barry 441 4 Aston Villa
4 mikel arteta 425 6 Everton
5 steven gerrard 404 8 Liverpool

The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?

**Dodge** · 07/03/2007, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by d f x-

The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?

If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!

**wws** · 07/03/2007, 3:45 PM

a subject close to my heart this

my line would simply be this

Stephen Hunt - the best player in the premiership in my view. I don't care what anyone else thinks - this lad has the lot!

Ronaldo - Shammer - people who say he's the greatest are either kids (who dont know no better or just simpletons - they will learn in time to differentiate between a shammer and a true diamond if they're kids)

Lampard - the best English Midfielder by far
Gerrard - cracking eye for a shot, not a lot going on between the ears

Barca - rubbish this season and Liverpool should have hammered them if they didnt go all Houlier in the second half

**wws** · 07/03/2007, 3:46 PM

the ACTIM stats have Tevez as minus something - whatever you think about his performances for west ham he's not teh worst in the prem by any means

they are a useful guide but a guide and no more

**WeAreRovers** · 07/03/2007, 3:51 PM

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH

**drinkfeckarse** · 07/03/2007, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.

**wws** · 07/03/2007, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.

lol

referencing McLAREN!

The really really last refuge of teh desperate!

**NY Hoop** · 07/03/2007, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH

Dont be stupid they dont play for liverpool so they're obviously all crap

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

KOH