QuoteTake a gander at Ezekiel 23
...on a tangent perhaps. BSG claims religious status for political beliefs (socialism/communism) and societal or environmental concerns.Originally Posted by GavinZac
That he is talking rank garbage shouldn't need restating but there I go.
Anyway ...great book. Dealing with the bible at the moment and what a wonderful example of good living it is for all mankind.
There's more riding in it than there is on the fantasy channel ...and not just regular ridin' either ...funky, funky stuff ...motherfcukin', fatherfcukin!!!. ... gang rape and frankly you wouldn't find as much man on man action in Schindlers Fist.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Take a gander at Ezekiel 23
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
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"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Getting back on topic - it was fantastic to see Dawkins getting awarded Author of the Year at the Galaxy British Book Awards. Thoroughly deserved and hopefully spread the good word.
That sounds awfully like something that would have been said about the Gospels, had there been book awards back in the day. Looks like South Park have called the way this Dawkins Delusion is going straight down the line
Funky, funky party people.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Or Exodus 35:2 for that matter.
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Thats my kinda day!
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The ONLY foot.ie user with a type of logic named after them!
All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Some of you would have a riot on the City forum at the moment. One lad arguing the case that the Bible is Gods word, completely true and he doesnt see any evidence for evolution. Most of us have given up Second and third pages of this thread
http://www.ccfcforum.com/forum/index...opic=17191&hl=
2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death
I think Pete might be telling the LORD to move to France.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Presumably, you don't get put to death until Monday.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
No wonder staff turnover is high in supermarkets these days.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Those were the days eh. Can't get back to that former life now.
for any fretful christians who thought their faith may have been slipping here is his holiness' views on creation;
Pope Benedict, elaborating his views on evolution for the first time as Pontiff, says science has narrowed the way life's origins are understood and Christians should take a broader approach to the question.
The Pope also says the Darwinist theory of evolution is not completely provable because mutations over hundreds of thousands of years cannot be reproduced in a laboratory.
But Benedict, whose remarks were published today in Germany in the book Schoepfung und Evolution , praised scientific progress and did not endorse creationist or "intelligent design" views about life's origins.
Those arguments, proposed mostly by conservative Protestants and derided by scientists, have stoked recurring battles over the teaching of evolution in the United States. Some European Christians and Turkish Muslims have recently echoed these views.
"Science has opened up large dimensions of reason ... and thus brought us new insights," Benedict, a former theology professor, said at the closed-door seminar with his former doctoral students last September that the book documents.
"But in the joy at the extent of its discoveries, it tends to take away from us dimensions of reason that we still need. Its results lead to questions that go beyond its methodical canon and cannot be answered within it," he said.
"The issue is reclaiming a dimension of reason we have lost," he said, adding that the evolution debate was actually about "the great fundamental questions of philosophy - where man and the world came from and where they are going."
And yet they can, as the myriad of tests on germs and viruses that become resistant to medicines through natural selection have proven.
As usual, the church's position is to restrict further investigation, where science's is to push those boundaries of knowledge.
"But in the joy at the extent of its discoveries, it tends to take away from us dimensions of reason that we still need. Its results lead to questions that go beyond its methodical canon and cannot be answered within it," he said.
He says it like thats a bad thing - and interesting that he used the word canon. For thats the difference between religion and science - religious cannon defines limits and boundaries that we should not question, "universal truths", whereas science is the necessity of searching beyond our existing knowledge for answers.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
There's more evidence of evolution in pretty much every direction you look. As this is a football website it should be noted that football itself provides some facinating studies on evolution ...so long as there's been football there's been "stattos" of one form or another compiling stats on the details of those playing the game -and a good thing too.
In the 1860's when someone finally tried to regularise the rules of the many games known as football played here, there and everywhere it was ruled that the goal mouth should be "the width of three regular chaps head to toe". We know from the stats that the average height of a goalkeeper at the time -much the same as any other fully grown adult male was approximately 5'6" -from whence we get our 16ft wide goal.
However in the time since -goalkeepers have "grown" to a point where it's now rare to find one under 6ft and I suspect the average is a couple of inches taller again. Goalkeepers average heights have, and I'll put the farm on it, grown out of sync with the male population at large.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Nice theory, except that the width of a goal is 24 feet, not 16 feet. Football goals are eight feet high and eight yards wide.
By that logic, everyone's shrinking and there is a God.
Yes PS, because if he got one element wrong, certainly we can take the rest of his argument as given.
For the sake of interest:
The Football Association Laws of 1863 as published in the press (in Bell's Life) for approval on Saturday, December 5th 1863:
1. The maximum length of the ground shall be 200 yards, the maximum breadth shall be 100 yards, the length and breadth shall be marked off with flags; and the goal shall be defined by two upright posts, eight yards apart, without any tape or bar across them.
2. A toss for goals shall take place, and the game shall be commenced by a place kick from the centre of the ground by the side losing the toss for goals; the other side shall not approach within 10 yards of the ball until it is kicked off.
3. After a goal is won, the losing side shall be entitled to kick off, and the two sides shall change goals after each goal is won.
4. A goal shall be won when the ball passes between the goal-posts or over the space between the goal-posts (at whatever height), not being thrown, knocked on, or carried.
5. When the ball is in touch, the first player who touches it shall throw it from the point on the boundary line where it left the ground in a direction at right angles with the boundary line, and the ball shall not be in play until it has touched the ground.
6. When a player has kicked the ball, any one of the same side who is nearer to the opponent's goal line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever prevent any other player from doing so, until he is in play; but no player is out of play when the ball is kicked off from behind the goal line.
7. In case the ball goes behind the goal line, if a player on the side to whom the goal belongs first touches the ball, one of his side shall he entitled to a free kick from the goal line at the point opposite the place where the ball shall be touched. If a player of the opposite side first touches the ball, one of his side shall be entitled to a free kick at the goal only from a point 15 yards outside the goal line, opposite the place where the ball is touched, the opposing side standing within their goal line until he has had his kick.
8. If a player makes a fair catch, he shall be entitled to a free kick, providing he claims it by making a mark with his heel at once; and in order to take such kick he may go back as far as he pleases, and no player on the opposite side shall advance beyond his mark until he has kicked.
9. No player shall run with the ball.
10. Neither tripping nor hacking shall be allowed, and no player shall use his hands to hold or push his adversary.
11. A player shall not be allowed to throw the ball or pass it to another with his hands.
12. No player shall be allowed to take the ball from the ground with his hands under any pretence whatever while it is in play.
13. No player shall be allowed to wear projecting nails, iron plates, or gutta-percha on the soles or heels of his boots.
You can't spell failure without FAI
Right you are I think ...about the width at least.Nice theory, except that the width of a goal is 24 feet, not 16 feet. Football goals are eight feet high and eight yards wide.
By that logic, everyone's shrinking and there is a God.The theory is still sound though as, at it's kernel is the fact that in under 150 years the average height of football goalkeepers has grown 7-9 inches -far outstripping any increase in height that has taken place in the population at large.
I contend this due to a variant of natural selection that does not involve gene survival and where the agent of selection is those many, many volunteer coaches of underage football teams who picked out the two lankiest 8-12 year olds in their squads, threw a ball approximately at them and whosoever grabbed it became the keeper and whoever tried to head it became Peter Crouch.
Part of the reason why FIFA have conducted experiments with larger goals is to try and restore the goalkeeper/goalmouth ratio to a level closer to it's origin.
Within those rules John has posted you can trace the evolution of other aspects of not just football but rugby as well
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
while i agree with the point you're trying to prove, i would call the gradual increase in height of keepers manual-selection, rather than natural selection. i doubt goalkeepers are breeding.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Wow - didn't think I'd have to introduce you, of all people, to the concept of sarcasm!Yes PS, because if he got one element wrong, certainly we can take the rest of his argument as given.
Must be because I forgot my customary exclamation marks. I think they're going to have to return!!
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