Quote.Originally Posted by cavan_fan
We understand. Your short term memory loss is caused by depression after that perormance.
No. Then whats this.
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=70655
Last edited by Noelys Guitar; 16/09/2007 at 6:56 PM.
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We understand. Your short term memory loss is caused by depression after that perormance.
"Look at them. They're all out of step except my son Johnny"
Mrs. Delaney
In fairness he didnt post in that thread.
We understand. Your short term memory loss is caused by depression after that perormance.
Lets not get bogged down in the myriad of reasons of why the man must leave, but instead focus on how it can be achieved.Do nothing and the status quo remains, merely postponing the inevitable sacking upon our failure to qualify for 2010.
Someone needs to have a word in Stan's ear and tell him to look on foot.ie!!! I think he'd step down if he realised how badly the supporters want a new man in. Stan is probably deluded enough to think Delanay is right i.e. the supporters want him to stay.
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
Stan won't step down now, they'll just keep spinning about building for the future etc. however if they get stuffed by Germany, or look unconvincing against Cyprus & Wales there is a chance the pressure might tell but I'm not optimistic. The best thing that can hapen to us - though it will hurt out seeding - is to lose to Germany and Wales and draw with Cyprus. If we get a string of half decent results they will point to that as evidence of progress and Stan stays on to mess up our WC chances.
What I think I have learned about Stan is he's not very bright and doesn't listen to anyone. I'm sure he is doing all that he can and is sincere but just isn't up to the job.
Problem is finding a replacement, though Lawrie Sanchez could be available about Christmas time
Sure how can the likes of that pub team aka Scotland go to Paris, and beat one of the top 10 teams in the world?? They've no right to do it, don't they??How the hell are the likes of Finland above Portugal in their 8-team group??
This imbecile wouldn't know the difference between a tactic and a tictac. All this "transition" stuff is a pile of horsedung. Senior International football is about results, and qualifying for major championships. Developing young players is for the U-21 team.
When bringing young players in, you do so on a phased basis, not do a Souness-like situation at Liverpool, where you pile them all in en masse. That policy destroys teams, and leads to poor results, and even worse rankings, therefore making it harder to qualify for later tournaments. Souness sold Staunton during his "transition" period at Liverpool alongside other big names, to make way for younger players. Liverpool haven't won the PL since.
Hahaha, no common sense? the ironing is delicious, I suppose us fans are a bit too ambitious what with us expecting not to concede 5 against Cyprus and expecting to beat beat San Marino within normal time.
you onlu have to go and check my posts to see im a huge fan of Hunt and would put him into the starting team all the time.......way before these two games.......
so stop the rubbish
Yeah I also had him in the starting line-up well before the 2 games, in fairness I think 3/4 of this forum would have played Hunt agaisnt Slovakia, there was a few that wanted McGeady to play but after his performance against Slovakia virtually everyone wanted Hunt to start against the Czechs
I think it's clear to 99% of the people on these boards that Stan's reign has been and looks likely to continue to be an absolute disaster for the continued development of football in this country.
His appointment early last year was a surprise to many, to say the least, and I don't believe anyone was too keen on the idea but we were initially assured that Bobby Robson had been brought in to help to guide the inexperienced Staunton through his initial learning period in International management even though he had no managerial experience at any level in the game.
A 3-0 win against a lacklustre Swedish team did much to allay people's initial fears but this was soon followed by a 1-0 defeat in another friendly to a poor Chilean team. Things soon got much worse in a depressingly bad performance where we succumbed to a 4-0 defeat to the Dutch. At this stage alarm bells were rightly ringing as this had been our worst home result in over four decades of International football but still nothing appeared to be done by the FAI to salvage the sinking ship, after all this was only a friendly surely we would be far better when all our players came back for the upcoming competitive games? Unfortunately this was not to be. A workmanlike (no better) performance in Germany led to a 1-0 defeat quickly followed by a 5-2 demolition in Cyprus which out did the previous disaster against the Dutch in terms of atrocious performances. This run of results should have immeditaley led to Stan's dismissal but again nothing happened in the corridors of the FAI. A decent draw against the Czechs and an expectant win against a very poor San Marino seemed to indicate some improvement but any hope of a turnaround was shatterred by a lucky 2-1 win against a San Marino team that had never taken a point in their entire history in European competition. Two barely deserved 1-0 home wins against two very poor teams seemed to clam the storm briefly but a disastrous 2-2 draw in Slovakia that clearly showed Stan's inability to display any understanding of the beautiful game followed by another shocking display of tactical ineptitude in the Czech Republic that has effectively ended any hope of qualification with 3 games remaining has quickly served to show that Stan is clearly not learning from his mistakes and that the Interntional team is now sinking into a hole from where there is no immediate escape.
Considering it's now (and has been for a long time) depressingly obvious that the FAI are not going to admit their mistake and do what so clearly needs to be done there must be something we as Irish fans can do to relieve this depressing situation. The suits at the FAI are not fans of the game. This is so plainly obvious. If we leave it entirely in their hands then football will be irrevocably damaged in this country.
My suggestion would be for people to hit the inept businnessmen in the corridors of Merrion Square where it hurts, their pockets. We should how our displeasure with how we the Irish fans have been treated for far too long by no longer paying for the 'privilege' of going to Croke Park or Lansdowne Road (or indeed any of our away fixtures) to watch another poor Irish performance under a tactically inept, stubborn Irish manager brought in on the cheap because of his friendship to those within the FAI rather than any inherent talent to do the job required.
I for one cannot face the possibility of 'da gaffur' hanging on for another two years while we further slip through the seedings and destroy any chance from making the best of what could have been another golden period of Irish football. Let's use our power as fans to get Stan to do what he should have done long ago and leave his post.
Last edited by youngirish; 18/09/2007 at 11:22 AM.
As a long time block booker I'd be loathe not to pay for forthcoming matches, thus surrendering my continued priority application for tickets .
They FAI have me where they want me, and they know it.
Other suggestions on what we can do Stutts are welcome but bar a full scale French Revolutionesque purge of the FAI I can't see anything else that might force their hand.
Last edited by youngirish; 18/09/2007 at 10:36 AM.
I empathise with what you're saying and the frustration behind it YI. But as Stuttgart illustrates -it's unrealistic to expect supporters -that is to say supporters of the team -to forego a service they've already at least partially payed for. Especially if it could have implications for their being able to access tickets in the future. Add to that the fact that supply of tickets will outstrip demand and it's hard to see a "stay away" working.
I've said elsewhere whatever form a protest takes it should...
*be noticeable enough to be unignorable by media and undeniable by the FAI
*embarrass the FAI in front of their sponsors
*NOT target the lads on the field
I've seen here the "black t-shirt" protest idea gain some momentum though I don't quite get it myself. But if it were adopted by enough it would form a the nucleus of a protest that would at least fulfil 1 & 3 above though I'm not sure how it'd affect 2.
I'd personnally advocate (again) the obliteration of EIRCOM logos wherever possible (and legal). Large Black Xs of gaffa tape across a multitude of Irish football shirts would have to be picked up by the media.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
It seems like youngirish is suggesting that Stan should have been fired after the 4-0 home defeat by Holland. That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make. I think it's fair to give him one qualifying campaign to prove his worth. You have to remember that coming into the Slovakia and Czech games, we were only one point behind the Czech Republic. After the draw in Slovakia, we were still 3 points behind the Czechs, a win would have put us above them in second place. It's only now that we have no hope, and I think it's the right time to get rid of him.
would we be allowed to bring placards/signs into Croke Park? Or would security object to "Delaney and Stan MUST GO NOW!!!" signs?
I'd be amazed if the black shirt idea took off - if would need major support from the tabloids to be truly effective.
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
The best protests are the spontaneous ones. There is a groundswell of opinion amongst supporters that Stan must go. And the Germany game will be a long one for Stan and Delaney. I don't believe Stan will be in a job post Germany. Delaney will try to deflect things away from himself. Watch what happens. Remember Delaeny's Floundering outside of the Mansion housebefore the Welsh game whn asked would STan lose his job if Ireland Did'nt win
Not so. I wouldn't have agreed with sacking him then nor have I suggested otherwise but if the FAI had got rid of him, in hindsight it could only have been a good thing. I was simply suggesting that the FAI's total lack of anything resembling a response such as getting a new advisor in to replace Bobby Robson during his illness or alternatively a press statement that they expected improvement did nothing to help the situation.
I understand but It all depends on whether you want to continue to watch the same frustrating trash over and over again or alternatively attempt to try to do something that if enough people did the same would in my opinion force the FAI's hand to take some action. Why continue to pay good money to these people who are only helping to ruin our International team just because you might in the future not be able to get tickets to watch more substandard performances under the same dire management structure?
Last edited by youngirish; 18/09/2007 at 11:25 AM.
As I see it the best way to hurt the FAI would be to Boycott the Brazil friendly.
The FAI will have to pay alot to host the game and it's in their pocket they must be hit.
If they in turn are going to be so petty that they would knock block bookers off the list just because they wouldn't attend a friendly then in my view they do not deserve our support and by that I mean the FAI not the team.
I have taken 5 tickets for every home match since 2000 including friendlies and as we all know during Kerr's reign that was alot of friendlies including such beauts as Bulgaria, China and Canada.
These tickets were purchased because if not our competitive allocation would have been affected. In my opinion that's a huge commitment in supporting our country. The FAI were not shy in getting our hard earned cash in the past!
So a campaign should be put together now to boycott the Brazil game.
There'll be snow on that one.
I think the idea of a protest is fairly futile. As said above I'm not going to stop buying tickets as it'll cost me & they know it. I think wearing black is silly. As before, the FAI won't allow signs.
Sylvo made a point earlier about a March but that'd be hard to organise.
I'm sure a tabloid could see some capital in dishing out red cards for all to brandish, or even simpler would be for the crowd to stand up turn its back for the first x minutes.
I'm not a fan of protests generally but Delaney deserves something for his crass comments about the fans staying for 20 minutes behind to support them in Prague.
I also think Staunton deserves better - he's doing his best - but Delaney doesn't.
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