The Steve Staunton Discussion thread

**ofjames** · 09/09/2007, 5:32 AM

This is a stupid thread. There's simply no point changing the manager as we can have no confidence that this job could attract anyone who would do a better job. Stan is in the job for one reason, and one reason alone... because noone else of any decent standard wanted it in the first place. Same applies still, unless you want Neil fricking Wornock in charge.

By the way, McCarthy made just as glaring mistakes, even worse. And took a ridiculously lomg time to learn from these mistakes, choosing instead to blame his supposed 'bad luck'. Difference is Staunton doesnt have Keano to paper over the cracks and pull him out of impossible situations.

**danonion** · 09/09/2007, 7:23 AM

60 someodd caps in 11 yrars? keano didnt do ****e for ireland ****in quisling ****** i mean ffs don't blame mccarthy for bad results previous he'd got us out of this group no boather

**bennocelt** · 09/09/2007, 7:57 AM

Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Get real, Kilbane was one of our best ,.. AGAIN.

ah come off it, he was rubbish (as usual), why cant he cross or pass a simple ball

**bennocelt** · 09/09/2007, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Take a step back & compare Kilbane's career with Hunts. It must be me & every premiership manager that has a non existant knowledge of football so.

Of course I know Kilbane is not world class. However he played pretty well tonight, better than most & Hunt has done sweet FA for Ireland to date. I hope that changes, but that is the fact.

no...........sure isnt the great John O Shea a manure utd player..............so what does that prove........SFA

100% Effort..........so what...............i would give that too if i had an Ireland jersey on, but im honest enought to admit im no good

**Scram** · 09/09/2007, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by ofjames

This is a stupid thread. There's simply no point changing the manager as we can have no confidence that this job could attract anyone who would do a better job. Stan is in the job for one reason, and one reason alone... because noone else of any decent standard wanted it in the first place. Same applies still, unless you want Neil fricking Wornock in charge.

By the way, McCarthy made just as glaring mistakes, even worse. And took a ridiculously lomg time to learn from these mistakes, choosing instead to blame his supposed 'bad luck'. Difference is Staunton doesnt have Keano to paper over the cracks and pull him out of impossible situations.

I don't think you get it, there are mistakes and there is blatant ignorance.

I have a 13 year old deaf and blind mongrel dog, even he knows that Reid should have started, that Kelly and O'Shea were out position and that you cannot hang on to an undeserved lead (no pun intended!) if you do not have the ball, that the game is not over until the whistle blows.

The total lack of professionalism in Stan's big grin to Kevin Doyle with 5 minutes left, shows that unlike a lot of us amateurs watching the game, he thought the game was won, what message must that give to the players?

That total pr!ck Roy Keane, must have been laughing his @ss of at this display of incompetence from Stan. For once, I feel sorry for the players and not the manager.

**bennocelt** · 09/09/2007, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by Scram

The total lack of professionalism in Stan's big grin to Kevin Doyle with 5 minutes left, shows that unlike a lot of us amateurs watching the game, he thought the game was won, what message must that give to the players?

That total pr!ck Roy Keane, must have been laughing his @ss of at this display of incompetence from Stan. For once, I feel sorry for the players and not the manager.

any still you complain about Roy Keane

**eelmonster** · 09/09/2007, 9:15 AM

Nothing can be achieved by letting Stan go (or him walking away) at this stage of the campaign. My only concern is - when/if he goes come the end of the qualifiers - what kind of 'world class manager' will be appointed in his place: another under-age manager like Brian Kerr, perhaps Damian Richardson or Pat Dolan. The FAI is a farce ... ask Roy Keane. Last night's result was bad, but it could have been worse ... ask Nigel Worthington.

**Scram** · 09/09/2007, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

any still you complain about Roy Keane

I agree with everything Keane says about winning attitude, lack of professionalism in the FAI etc. I don't agree with him not playing for his country or talking sh!te about Shay Given's caps, anti-Cork bias etc. and I imagine he like Dunphy, is happy when we fcuk-up. Staunton had the chance last night to shut both up but his team selection and decisions played right in to their hands.

You are wrong about Keane and you are on your own and wrong again about Kilbane's performance last night. He was the least culpable, though I agree with your starting team on an other thread, I would have had Kilbane at left back. That should not take away from his performance which defensively was excellent (covering for Kelly who was of course out of position)

Bottom line, Delaney (won't happen) and Stan must go. (and yes, I'm sure Keane would agree with that)

ps. not intending to turn this into a Saipan thread.

**Theskinloyal** · 09/09/2007, 11:04 AM

I went out to the training sessions on Wednesday and Thursday. Andy Reid and Stephen Hunt were outstanding and the only reason they weren't picked, as far as I can reason was, some sort of personality clash with Stan.

Kilbane is good for the squad in terms of his attitude and good nature but Reid is a far superior player.

Stan out....sooner rather than later

**ofjames** · 09/09/2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Scram

I would have had Kilbane at left back. That should not take away from his performance which defensively was excellent (covering for Kelly who was of course out of position)

In fairness, Kelly has played a lot more football at left back then Kilbane, so Kilbane would be out of position also

**finnpark** · 09/09/2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Scram

Easy to blame the manager, but even with my limited knowledge of football, I would have picked a team and managed this game better than the inept Staunton.

I couldn't agree more. He may be a nice guy and had a tough time but its time to get rid of him, Hughton, Devlin and also most importantly get rid of Don Givens as U-21 manager. Oh and I nearly forgot Delaney. Between them the management team have the intellect of Jordan

There were more Slovaks in Ireland's half for the last few minutes than Irish players. Its actually quite funny and as my footer suggested some months back Ireland will finish 4th. I just cannot believe how lucky "we" were last night to get a draw. Slovakia must be kicking themselves.

**green army** · 09/09/2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

He showed his inexperience tonight with his substitutions- I thought it seemed like he thought the game was won and decided to give the fringe players a run out.

i agree especially when he took doyle off. the look on his face- he thought we had it won.

**Flea** · 09/09/2007, 1:43 PM

I was annoyed after the game until I read this thread. Some people need to lay off championship manager

**Supreme feet** · 09/09/2007, 1:50 PM

An ode to last night

Staunton, a man of ineptitude,
Has Ireland's team well and truly screwed,
He chose not to start with Stephen Hunt,
I think you'll agree when I say he's a ****.

He made a decision in our time of need,
to forsake the left foot of Andy Reid.
When I saw Jon Douglas take to the field,
I knew that a draw was the best we could yield.

Watching our team shouldn't be misery,
with players like Doyler and Ireland and Keane.
I think that our 'gaffer' should step down and leave,
so we can rebuild from the wreckage of Steve.

**backstothewall** · 09/09/2007, 2:51 PM

Paul Jewell is available

**Qwerty** · 09/09/2007, 3:52 PM

Didn't the FAI give Stan a 4 year contract and he is at the same pay rate or higher than Mick? So I don't think they'll want to pay off 2 years of his contract so Stan stays. Correct me if I'm wrong but the FAI doesn't have the financial leeway right now to look at another manager, unless Stan walks.

**bobloblaw** · 09/09/2007, 3:52 PM

Right, i think Stan Larel needs to get the chop asap. Question is, who out there could we realistically hope to get to come and manage us, that will help turn us around. I've had a think, and tbh, I'm struggling to come up with anybody! Steve Coppell would be my choice, he's at a relatively small club that he's taken as far as they can go really. Would he want to manage us? Who knows. But he'd be an excellent candidate.

**tricky_colour** · 09/09/2007, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by Theskinloyal

I went out to the training sessions on Wednesday and Thursday. Andy Reid and Stephen Hunt were outstanding and the only reason they weren't picked, as far as I can reason was, some sort of personality clash with Stan.

What you mean they have one and Stan doesn't?

**Noelys Guitar** · 09/09/2007, 4:48 PM

No Hunt is just incredible. This has to be down to Hunt been outspoken (ie about the choice of players for the US tour) about how the team is been run. It just cannot be a footballing decision for Staunton to play Gibson and Douglas ahead of Hunt. As with Givens and the other oddballs who surround Stan they are picking their teams based on non-footballing matters. We played a **** poor team yesterday and yet everyone watching (other that the "management") could see both of their goals coming. Only for Richard Dunne we migh thave lost the game.

**Noelys Guitar** · 09/09/2007, 5:02 PM

The FAI will not sack Stan. And Stan will not be walking away (who else would have him?) Almost unbelievably we can still qualify. Winning on wednesday is not beyond a team with Hunt, Given, Dunne, Reid, Doyle, Keane, Carsley and McShane in it. Can Staunton be brought to his footballing senses that is the question? I just get the feeling we have a group of thin skinned small minded idiots from Delaney down to Givens running the show at the minute.