The Steve Staunton Discussion thread

**strangeirish** · 27/03/2007, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by hoops1

Have you ever gone to him with an injury? He is useless.

I have, many, many moons ago, when Rovers were at Milltown. I had a knee injury. Mick sits me up on the table and gets out some gel and an ultra-sound! Me and this other player are looking at each other as if to say,WTF. I'm told by Mick that I may have a torn ACL. End up going to Naas hospital and guess what? He was right! Just my story about Mick Byrne. Say what you want, but he had my diagnosis correct.

* Just glad I wasn't pregnant!

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**hoops1** · 27/03/2007, 5:04 PM

A ****ing witch doctor could diagnose an ACL.
He didnt fix you Naas Hospital did

**MervilleUnited** · 27/03/2007, 5:42 PM

On reflection of the wide and varied thoughts in this thread, I sincerely think that the greatest manager on the planet would have his work cut out with any of the international teams of these west european Islands

All the players involved are millionaires or are about to be, and as Marvin Hagler once said, "Its hard to get up at 5am for a 10 mile run when you are wearing Silk Pyjamas!" The drive isnt there, even in the so called european countries where players remain in education rather than putting all thier effort into sporting sucsess.

God himself would have problems motivating this lot, would rather prefer being in nightclubs with the WAGS rather than play international football.

The club is where the cash is. Half a million euros from the players fund wouldnt cover thier wages for playing in a championship finals. So why bother? Pride in the shirt? Show me the money!

Slovakias players will bust a gut tommorrow night as they are in the shop window of the premiership. Simple as that.

Sad

**craig7042** · 27/03/2007, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I'm seeing a change is all.... And a win+performance tomorrow will turn this whole thing round.

I agree. On Sports tonight this evening the texts quoted were far more balanced with people speaking out now against the negativity and abuse of the team. People want improvement but they dont want what we've been getting - simple anger and abuse...

Stand up fo rthe boys in green tomorrow night and you just never know. They could get the win you know....I have a feeling in me stomach!

www.theboysingreen.blogspot.com

**Qwerty** · 28/03/2007, 2:21 AM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I should have said the tone of SOME of the posts...

I don't think most people here are sheep. But there's no escaping the fact that there are a number that are. The clowns having a pop at Mick Byrne is an example...

Those around stan, within the FAI and even former players and colleagues reckon Irish fans expectations are too high and that we haven't got the squad we've had in decades past. I think it's a huge disservice to the irish fan. We're painfully aware we have'nt got the players we've had in the past but the question we're asking now is the same one we asked when stan was appointed last year "Is a man with no experience the right man to get the best out of a limited bunch of players?".

Now as things stand there's an astute level of deflection going on within the FAI citing poor feeling amongst the supporters down to media manipulation. Now baring this in mind take a look at the majority of posts over the last two or three weeks here and get back to me and tell me some of them don't give credence to what John Delaney, Kevin Moran, Ronnie Whelan has said about Irish fans.

I think they do. The whole debate has gone from the fact that Stan should never have been appointed in the first place to picking away at the man, repeatedly, post after post after post, insults and so on. All very English tabloid.

I 'm not sure I know where you are coming from, do me a favor and watch Norn Iron. I saw their game against Spain and they were awesome, organized, commited and yet there is hardly a single Norn Ireland player who would get into our first 11. We really don't have a "limited bunch of players", I think we have the players to really compete for qualification. We have however serious management problems, that is obvious. Stan has given no indication that he actually knows what he is doing and he has been in charge of two of the most appalling performances an Ireland team has ever put in. I don't blame him as much as I blame the FAI but his amateur and childish behavior cannot go unremarked.

The criticism comes with the territory, and it is born out of frustration and not malice. I do get tired of people critcising the players though.

**Nailer77** · 28/03/2007, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by Qwerty

I 'm not sure I know where you are coming from, do me a favor and watch Norn Iron. I saw their game against Spain and they were awesome, organized, commited and yet there is hardly a single Norn Ireland player who would get into our first 11. We really don't have a "limited bunch of players", I think we have the players to really compete for qualification. We have however serious management problems, that is obvious. Stan has given no indication that he actually knows what he is doing and he has been in charge of two of the most appalling performances an Ireland team has ever put in. I don't blame him as much as I blame the FAI but his amateur and childish behavior cannot go unremarked.

The criticism comes with the territory, and it is born out of frustration and not malice. I do get tired of people critcising the players though.

Agree with a lot of that. This business that we don't have the players is a real cop out, all we need is some leadership. But that also includes the senior players in the squad. Unfortunately apart from Given we've no talisman and its a bit tough for him to influence whats happening outfield.

**carloz** · 28/03/2007, 9:46 AM

Excellent post Qwerty. Staunton is simplty not getting the tactical basics right. His actual knowledge of football seems embarressing and his interviews with the media enforce this view. The job is way to big to him and i pray that he realises that sooner or later. Unfortunatly his 100+ caps for us will now be forgotten due to his complete ineptness at management

**Scram** · 08/09/2007, 8:28 PM

Easy to blame the manager, but even with my limited knowledge of football, I would have picked a team and managed this game better than the inept Staunton.

I spent the last 30 minutes shouting at the television becasue I could tell what was going to happen. It was obvious by the way we were playing, like the game was won with the second goal.

O'Shea and Kelly played out of position. Gibson put on before Reid. McGeady rightly substituted but where was Reid and where was Hunt?

We created nothing, Doyle's goal was a one in a million. Stan learned nothing from the Denmark performance, absolutely nothing. Get rid of him and quickly.

Slovakia are a sh!t side, with the quality we have we should have had no problem with them. 2 points dropped and sorry Stan, but this is down to you.

**rocketballs7** · 08/09/2007, 8:38 PM

I have to totally agree here. some people may say that we would not be even writing this if we had not conceded in the last minute, but from the start, we could see that there were concerns about the Stauntons selections. Can't tell you how disapointed i was that Stephen Hunt did not play, along with Shane Long, however Stan felt that an untried Gibson and a League one player in Douglas would do a better job than Reid or Hunt. Just can't believe whats just happened here against an awful Slovakian side. I could sit here all night and go on about Staunton. I just feel sorry for Dunne, Given, and Doyle, the only players of quality we really have. John O'shea and kilbane are a disgrace

**kingdomkerry** · 08/09/2007, 8:39 PM

Reid and Hunt would of been better options in anyones book. As for playing both full backs in their wrong sides again. What is he playing at!!!!!

**dynamo kerry** · 08/09/2007, 8:42 PM

I thought kilbane was pretty decent actually.

o'shea looked out of his comfort zone at right back mind you.

personally I thought slovakia looked alright. not great but alright. If we want to qualify we should beat them but I'm not convinced we should take it for granted.

shame about the result.

**Scram** · 08/09/2007, 8:45 PM

I thought Kilbane actually had a good game other than fcu!<in around with the ball by the corner flag. Only one man to blame for this defeat and he's from Dundalk.

Did anyone else have a sickening feeling in the last half an hour that an equaliser was sure to come? If we did get out with a win we would have been lucky, lucky, lucky.

**rocketballs7** · 08/09/2007, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

I thought kilbane was pretty decent actually.

o'shea looked out of his comfort zone at right back mind you.

personally I thought slovakia looked alright. not great but alright. If we want to qualify we should beat them but I'm not convinced we should take it for granted.

shame about the result.

Its a shame for everyone in the country about the result.
I just personally think Kilbane was shocking, I think he's shocking in general, plenty of heart fair enough, but absolutely no ability, just like O'shea. The small thing about Kilbane annoy me so much like in the first half when he turned back into a Slovak player when he had nearly 35 yards infront of him in the centre of the park. Andy Reid would have offered a lot more tonight yet could'nt even get a run from the bench along with Hunt or Long. Very disapointed in Stan, particularly after the excellent result and promise we showed in Denmark.

**R�iteoir** · 08/09/2007, 8:49 PM

Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

shame about the result.

Agree totally with the OP

To quote non-league manager Andy Preece coming off after a similar match last season:

"What good's a f****** point?"

**dynamo kerry** · 08/09/2007, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by rocketballs7

Its a shame for everyone in the country about the result.
I just personally think Kilbane was shocking, I think he's shocking in general, plenty of heart fair enough, but absolutely no ability, just like O'shea. The small thing about Kilbane annoy me so much like in the first half when he turned back into a Slovak player when he had nearly 35 yards infront of him in the centre of the park. Andy Reid would have offered a lot more tonight yet could'nt even get a run from the bench along with Hunt or Long. Very disapointed in Stan, particularly after the excellent result and promise we showed in Denmark.

I do think we're quite a limited side in many ways but I must admit I did think the first sub was going to be reid and then I though ok, he'll bring on hunt. It never occured to me that douglas could come on and as for Gibson...

**Sonic** · 08/09/2007, 8:53 PM

Im not entirely convinced about andy reid but surely hunt should have started. I could see myself that McGeady was poor after 20 mins and should have been taken off at half time. Douglas my lord god is playing league one football for leeds and if thats changed it shouldnt have because he is shocking bad and the young lad gibson- its a horrid pity he didnt play with northern ireland he is so bad. O shea is a disgrace the man is dire. Stephen Kelly should have cleared their first goal off the line but showed a complete lack of agression or spunk to stick his head in there and get rid of it. The attacker you will notice didnt shirk his responsibility. Apart from Stan completely out of his depth which is obvious to the extreme the players themselves know how to flippin hold out or kill off a game with a minute to go. There was so much wrong with the performance you could be here all night analyzing it. We will be beaten wednesday playing with that team and with that set up. I could see after 10 mins even after our goal we wouldnt win. McGeady and Kilbanes crossing was Eircom League standard in fact its doing a disservice to the Eircom League John Reilly and Jamie Duffy from my team could deliver better balls into the box then they did. Kilbane is such a trier and a work horse with guts and determination but he simply isnt good enough. Hunt should have played and of all stans errors tonight that remains the most galling. That and the fact he persisted with McGeady so long and his subs. It was ridiculous. Stan is not an imbarrasment to Ireland he is an imbarrasment to himself!!

**DeNiro** · 08/09/2007, 8:54 PM

Totally sick about the result. I got that feeling that it was all going to end unhappily when Staunton patted Doyle's back when he came off. Looked like he thought the game was won. A good manager wouldn't be acting like that. Bloody hell

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It's hard to know where this is going to go. Giles made a good point about the midfield in that the last time McGeady, Ireland and Kilbane played together was in Cyprus. He does a shrewd analysis at times. Douglas coming on was a waste of time. Needed a player to relieve the defence. The only answer there is Hunt or maybe Long, not Douglas. How does Staunton make these decisions?

**rocketballs7** · 08/09/2007, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sonic

Stephen Kelly shold have cleared there first goal off the line but showed a complete lack of agression or spunk to stick his head in their and get rid of it. The attacker you will notice didnt shirk his responsibility.

I must agree, if they are not going to give it all, they should not be wearing the shirt. As for O'shea he looked like Billy Elliot trying to block down the shot for the Slovak 2nd goal

. What annoys me most is Stauntons smile from ear to ear when Doyle came off in the 88th minute. Remind me , is'nt there 90 minutes in a game of football?????????? And to not know this in international football, let alone us being Ireland and our disgraceful record of conceding last minute goals, is inexcuseable.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 08/09/2007, 9:03 PM

He showed his inexperience tonight with his substitutions- I thought it seemed like he thought the game was won and decided to give the fringe players a run out.

**cobra** · 08/09/2007, 9:09 PM

Christ, that slovakia team were bad and they showed it in the 1st 15 mins until we sat back and gave them confidence..Then they started to hit that big man up front for them called o"sheasky..he was there main threat..
Staunton, please go after czech game..delaney, well i would get banned here if i spoke my mind..and i am going to prague wed