QuoteOriginally Posted by brine3
football is played on the field and not off it!
There is no point in comparing the Welsh and Irish players. You could compare the Irish and San Marino players too.
The main comparison to be made is that Wales are managed by John Toshack (who managed Real Madrid, Sporting Lisbon, Sociedad, Deportivo, Besiktas) and we are managed by Pinger Staunton (who managed nobody).
We will be battered.
football is played on the field and not off it!
Life isn't all beer and football...some of us haven't touched a football in months
This board is sinking like the Irish team...so why bother having managers at all if that is what you think?
Take 11 professional players and 1 manager, who do you think is the most important individual there? That is what is call a no-brainer question.
True but they can only do so much.
going by the comment by brine3 this person thinks since Toshack is a much more qualified manager that we will get hammered reagrdless of the quality of players at each managers disposal.
Life isn't all beer and football...some of us haven't touched a football in months
Toshack seems to have lost his ability to organazize a team to score
The next one after Wales is Slovakia at home. Slovakia are just another run-of-the-mill side who put 6 past Cyprus, and 5 in at Wales.
So how many will they get against our "defence"??
He's not related to Staunton is he by any chance?
Or maybe they both have bird flu and it's a symptom?
Must be a Liverpool curse.
excellenter!!!!!!
Anyone know when the tickets go on sale for this? I presume they will go on general sale. Can't see them filling Croker after recent results.
It will get filled , theres plenty of event junkies out there.
What motivates you to continually vomit up essays on a team you don't even support?There is no way LS would even consider taking over the ROI. Think about it, the best he could ever hope for would be to take over a chronically under-performing team, turn it around, then set it on its way to over-performing. Which is fine, were it not that it's hardly guaranteed and even if he did, people would merely say "So what?" i.e. it's been done before. By him.
And in any case, he's made it quite clear he sees his future in club management, such that he'll leave NI when his contract expires at the end of the Euro Qualifiers (or the finals, if he gets us there!).
Of course, he has said he thinks he could combine a club job with NI on a part-time basis, but even if the club concerned were to agree (v.unlikely), I can't ever see a p-t manager being acceptable to the FAI.
Anyhow, that's not your biggest problem: your biggest problem will be replacing Staunton with somebody capable. No-one with a decent CV is going to want to touch it and anyone with a bit of sense will want to wait until things really have hit rock-bottom, in order to extinguish all unrealistic expectations, so that the only way for any new guy is up.
Unless, of course, you appoint someone who is either short of alternatives (O'Leary?), for which there is usually a reason, or take a chance on somebody who is eager but unproven. (Actually, scrub that last one, since that's what Staunton was...)
Worse still, if finding a replacement for Stan is your biggest problem, it's not actually your immediate problem: i.e. getting rid of him first.
As I see it, there's no way Delaney will sack him, since he's too convenient a "sandbag" to protect him (JD) from the muck and bullets aimed in both their directions. Plus it would cost a fortune in compensation, compensation which will be sorely needed to attract a new guy. Above all, if Stan were sacked, attention would immediately move to the guy who appointed him in the first place...
Therefore, he'll have to resign. Clearly, he's not going to want to do that, since he's a proud man and he won't want to forego a big pay-out, especially since his reputation is getting shredded so severely, he'll find it hard to get a decent alternative job.
Which leads to a further problem. If he can stagger on getting the odd half-decent result (Czech, Germany etc), then you could be stuck with him for another year or more. Alternatively, if the next few results are more like Cyprus or San Marino, then the pressure will become unbearable, and he'll have to resign.
Neither option is palatable, since the former would only delay the start of the repairs needed and the latter would deepen the extent of it.
But worse, much worse than any of that, is that even once you've got rid of Stan and appointed someone in his place, his successor can only hope to do a good job despite the circumstances he finds himself in, not because of them. That is because, as you rightly point out, many of the problems are not really to do with the senior team management, even if they (the problems) eventually end up making the manager's job harder.
A good appointment will only allow the Blazers to kid themselves everything is really OK and a bad appointment, well, you really don't need another one of those.
Now I daresay anyone still reading will ask, "What the feck business is it of yours what's happening and what does you know about it, anyway?" The first question is fair enough, but I only offer my opinion from a feeling that I've seen this situation before.
You see, the ROI under Stan are exactly where NI were under Sammy Mc.
and we only got out of that through pure luck.
First, Stockport offered to take Sammy off our hands (he's managing Morecambe in the Conference now, btw) and second, the clear favourite for the job was Jimmy Nicholl (now Assistant Manager at Aberdeen).
However, Jimmy Nic turned it down because the money wasn't enough (the second time he'd done that!), which left Lawrie as "Hobson's Choice".
Still, if the "Luck of the Irish" worked once for us, maybe it can do the same for you...
Where does he get the time Does he have a job?
Pull my finger!!!
free speech, open forum, he has a right to do what he wants and not be questioned.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
i agree , let him say what he likes
i bet lawrie sanchez would take our job if offered.... :-)
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
When you buy a newspaper, do you only read the match reports for your team, then throw it away? Or in the news section, do you only read about what's reported from your town and ignore what's going on eleswhere?
Anyhow, to answer your question, I have a wide interest in football, such that I've actually been to a few ROI games (i.e. not involving NI), including at Italia 90, which I happily attended despite my own team's absence.
Also, as a Spurs fan who happens to lives next to Brentford, I'm interested in the progress of the likes of Keane and Hunt etc.
And I'm curious about the forthcoming ROI v Wales match, since my own team has now played them three times in the last two years.
Sorry if that offends you.
But here's a question for you: Do you have any constructive thoughts on what I actually posted (other than that it's "vomit", that is)? Or, to put it another way, what motivates you to come on here and "vomit" out bile about someone who's not done you any harm?
P.S. Another motivation for following the fortunes of the ROI team - Comedy Value!
Last edited by EalingGreen; 09/02/2007 at 4:01 PM.
Keane ahead of Bellamy, what has the man gotta do to get dropped..
Hes still a god to some people no matter how badly he plays..
Ealing I can appreciate your right to feel smug right now as I feel the same delight in watching the north get beaten however to bring you down to earth with a bump….
The north have ZERO chance of qualifying for anything-ever again because as sh!t as we may be right now, you’re lot are no better.
I await the usual prosaic retort…
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I'll go like I have for the past 40+ years and I am not an event junkie. I support my country through thick and thin and no matter who is in charge. I was there at the end of the Eoin Hand era with about 18k others at Lansdowne when we lost 1-4 to Denmark at home and I'll be there (God willing) when the Stan era comes to an end whether successful or more likely a failure and the reins are handed over to another manager.
It's called support.
A small country like ours will always have its highs and lows. Many desert the sinking ship and I have seen that over the years. If the campaign continues as it does, I wouldn't anticipate more than 30K at the last game in Croker but I shall be one of them even if we're still on 7 points.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
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