BB Croker letters

[WexDec]

WexDec , in principle i dont have a problem with this if when he went on the waiting list asking for 10 tickets but it practice it probably should be limited to 4 max to prevent touting.

I agree, there's no problem in asking for 10 but should've been told sorry mate but here's the 4 max allowable. I really wonder what limit they do apply, I wouldn't have thought near double figures would've been possible. 6 maybe at the very abs max but 2-4 is the football standard elsewhere.

[WexDec]

No point in having a waiting list if circa 20K can get tickets off their mates for the games at Croke Park.

They could retrieve the situation by having the current ticketing arrangements only valid for the next 4 games. I dont think anybody could justifiably complain.

Agree about waiting list being pointless but in fairness I think those on the list that didn't get any tickets for these 4 games could actually justifiably complain when if there was a limit in place some if not most of them would've been sorted.

Unlikely they'll change it for any future Croker matches (I too thought you meant LR there at first). For one its a hell of a lot easier to just send out the same invoices to all the same people for the same seats and then just handle withdrawls rather than redoing this whole (f*cked up) process. For two to redo it in a proper fashion would be admitting they were wrong/shortsighted in the first place

[WexDec]

I wasn't aware of any games being scheduled in Croke Park after 2007.

Logistically its extremely likely isn't it. LR will hardly be up and running by the time the WC qualifiers come around ? Unless Stan (plez God he won't be there) in his infinite wisdom has us playing all the away games first starting with the biggest team.

AFAIK and correct me if I'm wrong as haven't been there since the San Marino match but if LR is still intact as it is why are the Irish football (next month) and rubgy teams currently playing in Croke Park for 1.5m rent ???

[Newryrep]

I wasn't aware of any games being scheduled in Croke Park after 2007.

Global warming ?

[kev107]

I wasn't aware of any games being scheduled in Croke Park after 2007.

Planning permission hasn't gone through yet for the redevelopment of Landsdowne road. they reckon even if it goes through in the next few weeks it will be late 2009 before ready to move into (2010 knowing the FAI).

So I'd say all games in 2008 and most (if not all) of 2009 will be in croker

[Bluetonic]

Global warming ?

Munster unrest.

[Bluetonic]

So I'd say all games in 2008 and most (if not all) of 2009 will be in croker

Even though I'd imagine its a sure thing, I'd wait for GAA Central Council to meet and discuss it first.

[elroy]

I think its fairly safe to say our home games for the next three years will be in croker. The system now is a mess, i can imagine what it is going to be like when we return to LR.

Im so ****ed off about the whole thing, Im tempted to get on to Matt Cooper (he has a bit of a vendetta against touting) or someone like that and get him to get John Delaney on and explain to us how they have completely managed to fcuk a simple process up and **** off numerous genuine Ireland fans in the process. (Oh and for genuine, that doesnt include that "genuine" supporter on ebay who doesnt want to screw us all over)

[Newryrep]

Im so ****ed off about the whole thing, Im tempted to get on to Matt Cooper (he has a bit of a vendetta against touting) or someone like that and get him to get John Delaney on and explain to us how they have completely managed to fcuk a simple process up and **** off numerous genuine Ireland fans in the process. (Oh and for genuine, that doesnt include that "genuine" supporter on ebay who doesnt want to screw us all over)

Questions from average fan to be answered

1. why were 20K on the waiting list (say 4 per waiting lister 5000 on list) not able to be accomodated when 26K tickets should be available - using previous figures 33K BB 59K seats avaiable

2. why were BB offered additional tickets before waiting listers

3. why was there no preference selection so if area's were filled then their next choice would be chosen.

4. How many of the waiting listers were bypassed because point 3 was not available.

5. Of the 5000 on the offical waiting list how many got their tickets and how many tickets were there

6 with the waiting list scheme now closed how many are currently left on it?

7. Why was there not a limit put on the number of tickets that each person can receive like practically every other organisation do

8. How many BB's have had they allocation removed for touting tickets in the last 5 years

9. What reactive steps are the FAI taking now that their tickets are ending up on ebay fleecing the fans eg sting operation charity donation etc

10. What best practice did the FAI study when devising the allocation of seating/tickets

11. Do the FAI believe that the current system is fair when it appears 20K have bypassed the waiting list scheme and got tickets. if not what do they propose to do with it.

[WexDec]

It does make it seem a lot worse that those on the list MAY have lost out on much more than just 4 matches

[WexDec]

Very comprehensive Newryrep. Maybe add in a point asking will the current allocation persist if additional matches are played in Croke Park after this year since it is unlikely Lansdowne will be available for the World Cup qualifiers. If so BB waiters would miss out even more due to points 2, 3, 7 & 11.

[hp123]

Maybe this is too simplistic, but should it not just be one name, one ticket? I know current block bookers have a few tickets for each game. BUt should it not be run like a season ticket for a club? It would cut out alot of touting too. People who currently receive tickets from a block booker could be given the option to block book themselves.

[Bluetonic]

Maybe this is too simplistic, but should it not just be one name, one ticket? I know current block bookers have a few tickets for each game. BUt should it not be run like a season ticket for a club? It would cut out alot of touting too. People who currently receive tickets from a block booker could be given the option to block book themselves.

There is no need to change anything, just implement the system that is in place already.

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request
General sale.

Simple as.

[elroy]

Newry rep after that list I think Im gonna go ahead and email Matt Cooper and see has he any interest in raising this with the FAI, its the only way we'll get some answers and maybe get something done about it. If the likes of the tosser on ebay flogging tickets for over 6 times the face value is how tickets in croker are been distributed something has to be done about it now.

[hp123]

There is no need to change anything, just implement the system that is in place already.

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request
General sale.

Simple as.

Well when there are block bookers selling tickets on eBay, I think there is a reason to change the system. One fan, one ticket. Works in every football ground in the world every weekend. Maybe we could manage it for 3-4 home games a year.

[Bluetonic]

Well when there are block bookers selling tickets on eBay

There is at present ONE block booker selling tickets on ebay.

The system that is in place at present works when implement correctly, it also should suit the FAI as there is a lot less administration. When implemented correctly I fully support it as a fan, and would not like to see a one ticket system introduced.

[Newryrep]

Newry rep after that list I think Im gonna go ahead and email Matt Cooper and see has he any interest in raising this with the FAI, its the only way we'll get some answers and maybe get something done about it. If the likes of the tosser on ebay flogging tickets for over 6 times the face value is how tickets in croker are been distributed something has to be done about it now.

Elroy glad to help

He did do an item briefly about the distribution of rugby tickets for Croke Park as i think one of the girls in his office had problems.

Needless to say good luck

[hp123]

There is at present ONE block booker selling tickets on ebay.

The system that is in place at present works when implement correctly, it also should suit the FAI as there is a lot less administration. When implemented correctly I fully support it as a fan, and would not like to see a one ticket system introduced.

I respect your point of view, but have to disagree. The system has worked well for the people who have been on the block booking scheme a long time. I've been going to game for years, but only recently heard of the block booking, think I got on a year or so ago. I used to get school boy tickets and then when finished school I've been lucky enough to get them through LOI clubs.
I got tickets for the upcoming intenationals. I applied for 1 ticket. I told any friends who I go to the game with to get on waiting list aswell. We all applied for one ticket. When people are given more than one it leaves it open to touting.
There may only be one on ebay at the moment. we'll see the same scum crawling the streets around croker with many tickets being sold over face value.
I think the whole system needs to be relooked at. And when moving to a new stadium there is no better time. Accomodate all current holders, and put a proper system in place for getting new people on the ladder.

[Bluetonic]

There are many ways to implement a ticketing system, the best way is obviously to have everyone register with the FAI as a member and have their photo printed on the back of each ticket distributed, be that singly as you mention or via a block booking grouping. Obviously this increases the admin overhead massively.

The crux of the matter is that the current system works fine when it is implemented correctly.

I think the whole system needs to be relooked at. And when moving to a new stadium there is no better time. Accomodate all current holders, and put a proper system in place for getting new people on the ladder.

There may not be availability to offer waiting listers tickets from the newly developed Lansdowne as outline earlier in this thread.

[Collyontour]

They could issue every block booker with a number and print the number on each ticket allocated to that person. At the games, they could encourage people who buy off tout scum to report them. Simple. And then ban them for life.