They will think that Ollie Byrne should never have been let near Shels, because he wouldn't even be capable of running a stall on Moore Street.Originally Posted by paul_oshea
And they'll be right.
"When these people see ( who your clubs need to be attracting ) the "best club in the EL" folding, it will confirm in their minds how badly run and sh1te the league and standard of football really is!!!"
best club folds - confirms in their minds how sh1te the standard of football really is
eh no - it doesnt
incorrect point
STOP TALKING COMPLETE AND UTTER SH1TE
and crying "wumming" - the get out clause of anyone pulled up on talking sh1te
Firstly - unfortunatelty he's doing a fairly good job of it himself....
Secondly - does anyone honestly thing Ollie Byrne will return to overall control of Shelbourne FC after all that's unfolded ? I know their fans and creditors are stupid, but really - that stupid....?!?!
Thirdly - a football club does not exist without fans. Ollie's time and financial investment in Shelbourne would turn to dust without the supporters. The supporters should therefore get organsied, create some strength and use it to twist Ollie's arm. They don't even have to get all apocalyptic from the start on this. Begin by 'passive resistance' that wouldn't damage the team's perdformances in the shorrt-term :
- Withdraw voluntary stewards, programme sellers, half-time draw sellers etc
- Refuse to buy, sell or write for the programme or work in the club shop;
- Refuse to buy merchandise or display banners/flags at games etc etc.
All very minor actions that - if a club saw them starting to be implemented - would provide a real matchday headache, make them realise who really has the power, and make them concerned about what could happen next ! Then make it clear that that is only Stage 1 of an ongoing campaign, with later stages escalating a boycott of games, protests, media campaigns etc if Ollie doesn't agree to meet the supporter's reps to talk about an honourable way to reduce his involvement.
Give yourself some strength, display that strength, make it clear that there is worse to come, and then offer the target of your efforts an honourable way out of the mess before it gets any worse. This isn't rocket science, and in its early stages is very easy to do without genuinely damaging the club. I can't believe things like this seem so difficult for people to come up with...!
As for the money to buy him out - Shelbourne is worth less than absolutely fcuk all ! It's allegedly €10m in debt !!! The fans wouldn't need a penny to 'buy Ollie out' - they'd be doing him a favour. If their debts are anywhere near what media reports suggest, then there is absolutely no way Shels can trade out of such a situation this side of the next century. They will inevitably at some stage have to do a Rovers - go into administration, cut a cheap deal with their creditors/the revenue, and then reform as a legally separate entity under the control of the fans this time. But do Shels have the depth, passion and ability of support to do that......?
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 01/02/2007 at 11:45 AM.
Brilliant post Steve.
TO TELL THE TRUTH IS REVOLUTIONARY
The ONLY foot.ie user with a type of logic named after them!
All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
I'm in the market for a goat.....!
I'll give you 20 shekels.....
And what do you plan to do with this self same goat???
Isn't that a bit of an understatement?
Shels are effectively gone. There's no way they can clear €12 million of debt now. Playing lower division football is no help either, as there is no money to be made on the desert island. They're the third club to go in roughly 6 months. The only thing they can do now is close up shop, take a couple of steps back, reform the club, and start from scratch in the A league in a couple of years time. With the astronomical debt, no players, and no manager, there's no way they will play any football this year.
If Derry get you lot in the league cup, they're going to bring the goat along with a J€alou$? banner.
TO TELL THE TRUTH IS REVOLUTIONARY
The ONLY foot.ie user with a type of logic named after them!
All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
And not just that long ago ! I remember looking into the cost of the Eurostar from London to Lille and hotels for Shels's UEFA Cup game after they lost to Deportivo in the CL in 2004......
Nothing I or a lot of other posters wouldn't do for any other EL club though. Reitoir and myself headed up to mid-Wales to watch that Longford UEFA Cup match against Carmarthen 2 years back. But I wouldn't do that for Shels under their current mainfestation (even though some of their fans were good enough to come and support us against Gretna....).
But our cows are better!!!
The bit in bold in very interesting , it seems that Pats are getting invited because Setanta don't want their cameras to cross the shannon and fat Pat prefers the chippers around richmond park. The setanta money will have an effect on club budgets hence affecting squads for this season which will influence the final placings at the end of the season so a lot more than dodgy invites at stake here , if i wasn't getting setanta for free I would cancel my subscription...Where did you find that? The bit in bold seems different that seen previously...
63.00
LOL.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Good post Steve, the bit I've quoted is the very least they should have done last season. When I heard that the SSDG were going bankroll the Shels programme I knew there was no way they were ever going to dig themselves out this mess.
When Kilcoyne announced the sale of Milltown the supporters club, who had been responsible for the programme, immediately refused to do it anymore thus depriving the evil one of a few shekels. That's how militant we were 20 years ago and it took us nearly 20 years to learn that that alone wasn't enough.
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
the pungency of the gloating on this thread is nauseating. if the schadenfreude brigade really want to indulge their own sense of superiority over shelbourne and its fans, why not try some magnanimity? to sneer at them now for they having sneered at you then is just absurdly hypocritical.
for all its faults, and no doubt i'm ill-informed about many of them, i don't think a rational argument can be made that the disappearance of shelbourne would be good for football in ireland.
Only cuz your wimmin are so rough....!
very good post steve alright, do you think though it was somewhat a cache 22, maybe naively somewhat, or backburner stuff, but these fans thought that by ensuring they were helping the club to pay for these players that were bringing them glory, which is what all supporters of a club aspire and hope for, they kept up doing all this work, not necessarily because they liked ollie, but they thought they were helping the club to stay at the top and pay for being at the top?
Just one other small point, if the supporters raised 10k and tried to buy ollie out, they would still be taking on 10mil euro debts, which they would have to prove they could pay for, along with the differnce the sale of the grounds.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Only cuz your wimmin are so rough....!
Didnt stop u wanting to see a pic of me in the jersey tho did it!!!
Freak!
I think there is a few key differences between our situation and Rovers.
The big one is of course that Shels were so successful, it is very difficult to get fans excited about a potential takeover when the team is playing in their own stadium, and winning cups and leagues.
The “buried in the sand” quote comes up quite a lot, and there is truth in this, fans by their nature are greedy.
When they see their team get into the top three, they want them to push on and try and sign those players that will let them win the league, then when they win the league, they want to get the players that will push them further in Europe etc…etc…Fans get excited about skilful players, winning trophies and European trips, not from steady balance sheets
You ignore the jibs and the warnings from other fans, because you are winning!
Ollie probably did this too to some extent, as he was a fan, I think again there is a difference between Shels situation and Rovers because we were effectively run into the ground by a fan, not some property developer looking for a quick buck.
Ollie’s plans were stupid, idiotic, unreasonable, whatever…but despite this, in his own warped mind, I think he always thought what he was doing was for the good of Shelbourne even if it proved to be the exact opposite.
Football fans have often complained that they have had a businessman as opposed to a fan running their club, our problem was we had the opposite, the lesson to be learned is that the faith of a football club should never really be put in the hands of one man.
Also you have to consider the fact that Ollie was the man who brought the club from the brink of extinction to unparalleled success.
He really has been the cause and the solution to all of Shelbourne’s problems for many years now, looks like he is finally lost his balancing act.
But again, were we Shelbourne fans blind? I suppose we were.
I wonder what the attitude of other fans will be if Drogheda go to the wall in a few years, and indeed how Drogheda fans feel about all this. They are enjoying great success at the moment, and similar questions are being asked of them as were asked about us.
But again, when your winning on the pitch, it is easy to take the warnings of other as mere jealousy.
Last edited by TheOwl; 01/02/2007 at 12:41 PM.
if a =b and a= c then b=cOnly cuz your wimmin are so rough....!
their women are cows!!!! 8:
TheOwl that is what I pointed out to steve in my post above. That is a very very good post, one of the most honest and accurate posts I have ever read on here. POTY for sure!
Last edited by paul_oshea; 01/02/2007 at 12:43 PM.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Well the web team recently announced their departure. And the programme failed to be published several times last season. And the stewarding descended into chaos towards the end of the season. Not sure if that's all a sign of protest or incompetence.
Shels' supporters biggest mistake was to allow themselves to be mouthpieces for Ollie's propaganda. Even when Magoo still had a firm hold of Rovers, nobody was afraid to speak up against him. Quite apart from the public meetings where he regularly got a roasting, he just had to take a look at the Ultras forum to know EXACTLY what everyone thought of him.
Every time Ollie looked at the Shels forum up until last week, he could see that his bullying, bullsh!t and bluster were working.
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