Shelbourne FC Demoted to First Division - All Purpose Thread

**Dodge** · 30/01/2007, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

Shels wont be stripped of the title..
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo......

Logic determines that the place is ours

What the **** is logical about the league champions pulling out of a money spinning competition?

**SligoBrewer** · 30/01/2007, 7:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

What the **** is logical about the league champions pulling out of a money spinning competition?

2 wrongs doesnt make a right..

**red bellied** · 30/01/2007, 8:01 PM

In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.

Going on this Rovers are in. The rules arent been applied properly.

**SligoBrewer** · 30/01/2007, 8:03 PM

Originally Posted by red bellied

In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.

Going on this Rovers are in. The rules arent been applied properly.

i doubt we'll take it to the courts though..
were already going down this route with *ahem* he who shall not be named

**Soper** · 30/01/2007, 8:05 PM

Maybe we could get a bulk discount on court cases

**ilovejam** · 30/01/2007, 8:10 PM

Thats a joke, two seasons ago Derry had a place in the SSC by finishing 2nd in the league.

They beat UCD in the league cup final but College still didn't get a place in the SSC so why should Pats??

Typical of the league because UCD were under the impression that if (in the very unlikely event at the time) they beat Shels in the semi's of that cup they would take the SSC place as Derry had a league spot, so the SSC committee took on this rule that it would go to next in the league because as we all know UCD (in the FAI's eyes) are not wanted in the league.

So now we see the rule being bent back because a high profile team like Pats are in a position to be called upon.

A messy start already and a ball hasn't even been kicked

**dcfcsteve** · 30/01/2007, 8:12 PM

Surprised by this development.

Shel must be in the absolute soup and unable to even get crediot from their coach company etc in order for them to pull out of this.

Gutted that the group of death won't have one team we can write off now. D'oh !

Shels are pure w@nkers though. Why couldn't this have happened to them before the end of the league season - then we might have had a worthy champion at the end of it.

**Dodge** · 30/01/2007, 8:17 PM

Originally Posted by ilovejam

Thats a joke, two seasons ago Derry had a place in the SSC by finishing 2nd in the league.

They beat UCD in the league cup final but College still didn't get a place in the SSC so why should Pats??

Because the FAI cup ranks higher. Look at the English situation. Lose the FA Cup to a team in the chamions league, you get UEFA Cup (West Ham in 2006), lose the League Cup final, you get nothing (Wigan in 2006)

Here, the FAI Cup is an avenue to Europe. the League Cup isn't so obviously ranks higher...

**BohsPartisan** · 30/01/2007, 8:18 PM

Originally Posted by charliesboots

But sure I could change that now if I pleased...hardly a hard source to rely on!!

Exactly I mean Check this out

**SligoBrewer** · 30/01/2007, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Because the FAI cup ranks higher. Look at the English situation. Lose the FA Cup to a team in the chamions league, you get UEFA Cup (West Ham in 2006), lose the League Cup final, you get nothing (Wigan in 2006)

Here, the FAI Cup is an avenue to Europe. the League Cup isn't so obviously ranks higher...

here your trying to justify rule breaking.

**Dodge** · 30/01/2007, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

here your trying to justify rule breaking.

Would you get a grip, you haven't seen the rules and you're making assumptions based on rules posted by a Shels fan.

Here's the FAI's word on it

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=1650

St. Patrick's Athletic, as runners-up to Derry City in the FAI Carlsberg Cup final, will automatically be invited to take their place as per the rules of the competition

Added to that its an INVITATIONAL tournament...

**wws** · 30/01/2007, 8:32 PM

the rules are whatever a commercial company, namely setanta, decide they are, and we can all like it or lump it
in this case i like it!!!!!!!

THE SSC has no equivilent in football here and is bound by their commercial needs, not any other consideration.

**TonyD** · 30/01/2007, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

Logic determines that the place is ours

And yet, reality says otherwise.

It's a shame for you, it really is

Setanta first, next stop Europe.

**SligoBrewer** · 30/01/2007, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Would you get a grip, you haven't seen the rules and you're making assumptions based on rules posted by a Shels fan.

Here's the FAI's word on it

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=1650

St. Patrick's Athletic, as runners-up to Derry City in the FAI Carlsberg Cup final, will automatically be invited to take their place as per the rules of the competition

Added to that its an INVITATIONAL tournament...

have you seen them?

we all know the fai to be sooooo competent

if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the spot.. because they are breaking their own rules

if shels had been stripped of their title i wouldnt mind, cause setanta would not be breaking the rules

but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased

**Celdrog** · 30/01/2007, 8:42 PM

Originally Posted by wws

the rules are whatever a commercial company, namely setanta, decide they are, and we can all like it or lump it
in this case i like it!!!!!!!
THE SSC has no equivilent in football here and is bound by their commercial needs, not any other consideration.

If its only commercial needs then Sligo are in - much better support. Seems like the Setanta committe have stripped Shels of the title if they are using their own rules. Now that is something they cannot do.
Is the only place it has been confirmed the Pats website?
Edit - its only the Setanta website now, odd decision considering their logic is "St Pat's were invited to participate as a result - they would have earned a spot in the competition had their defeated Derry City in the FAI Cup final in December ". UCD would have earned a place had they won the league cup.

http://ie.setanta.com/portal/article...257273006d5991

**Hibs4Ever** · 30/01/2007, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by Celdrog

If its only commercial needs then Sligo are in - much better support. Seems like the Setanta committe have stripped Shels of the title if they are using their own rules. Now that is something they cannot do.
Is the only place it has been confirmed the Pats website?
Edit - its only the Setanta website now, odd decision considering their logic is "St Pat's were invited to participate as a result - they would have earned a spot in the competition had their defeated Derry City in the FAI Cup final in December ". UCD would have earned a place had they won the league cup.

http://ie.setanta.com/portal/article...257273006d5991

No they don't

**TonyD** · 30/01/2007, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the [/B]

True. Aah, the fickle finger of fate

but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased

Wot, you mean like you have ?

**Dodge** · 30/01/2007, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

have you seen them?

we all know the fai to be sooooo competent

if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the spot.. because they are breaking their own rules

if shels had been stripped of their title i wouldnt mind, cause setanta would not be breaking the rules

but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased

Hmmm. Listen I'm shocked Shels pulled out, and I'm shocked we got the spot ahead of you but none of us know the rules so stop trying to get the high ground here.