Shelbourne FC Demoted to First Division - All Purpose Thread

**pineapple stu** · 31/01/2007, 4:42 PM

Originally Posted by charliesboots

An auditor can only sign his name to what is put before him, he does not produce the delivery dockets, receipts, invoices etc.

That's nonsense. The whole point of having your accounts audited is that the auditor goes through the books and records to independently ensure that they're accurate. An auditor makes bloody sure he knows what he's signing.

**passerrby** · 31/01/2007, 4:59 PM

what were the aig group doing putting shels down as a top twelve club

**Dodge** · 31/01/2007, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

what were the aig group doing putting shels down as a top twelve club

They didn't. Off the field I think Shels were in the bottom 3 of all clubs. Their on pitch performance unmatched though

**The Sheliban** · 31/01/2007, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

If Shels die, there's no one to blame but the Shels themselves. All the fans of other clubs are doing here is the equivalent of having a whizz on their grave.

I'm not sure what arguement there is for their survival for the good of other clubs. Certainly not the publicity they've brought the league during the close season, or through their constant threats of legal action during previous seasons. It certainly won't help the league to have the Champions making it into the season and going belly up mid way through the next one. And given the state of the club at the moment there would be nothing to be gained for the league of them struggling through to the Champions League qualifiers.

Well, one thing off the top of my head, the attendance sticky for last year showed that the majority of clubs got their highest attendances when Shels were in town. Whereas we were only about 4th in the attendance table, clubs we were playing always brought out the fairweather fans for the visit of Shels.
But sure, whizz away if it brings you some relief.

**dublin15bohs** · 31/01/2007, 5:36 PM

Agree they should be punished but not relegated a point deduction and losing the CL place would be ok so we can all enjoy beating them next season.

**dublin15bohs** · 31/01/2007, 5:39 PM

Id welcome them back to Dalymount and im sure the board would too

**jebus** · 31/01/2007, 5:44 PM

Love the way everyone on this forum harps on about Irish football and promoting it and yet they want to get rid of the one club the average football fan in Ireland has paid any attention to in recent times

As for Galwayhoop harping on about Shels buying success and how its wrong, aren't you a supporter of the club that took Dundalk's place in the Premier because your club is richer? Isn't that what that all boiled down to?

I think a minor points deduction is adequate enough punishment for Shels, and if they can't reach European criteria by UEFA's deadline than take their CL spot too, but they should be given until said deadline to get their house in order

**Buller** · 31/01/2007, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by Leeza

Or you could get your own bloody ground about time too.

thats the a, general idea.....
your ignorance is beyond me...

**drummerboy** · 31/01/2007, 6:33 PM

The developers must be rubbing their hands at the sight of the Shels meltdown. I expect them to play hardball in all their dealings from here on in, thats not to say they have not already being doing so. What a travesty, to see Tolka Park, end its days in such a way.

**fanatic** · 31/01/2007, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

How would that work with the Bohs/McGuinness-gate affair. Would we lose the 3 points we lost from the game that we won 3 points against Shels?

ya couldnt make it up lol !

**kdjaC** · 31/01/2007, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by pete

If a club is denied a Uefa licence can you award the CL place to 2nd place in the league i.e. can a team from country with 1 CL qualifier who has not won the league particpate in the CL? Is there a precedent anywhere?

Ferenvaros kicked out of Europe this season as they owed one player a few quid. UEFA kicked em out league were asked to send another team. CL is sort invitational as Pool found out its up to the FAI to submit a team regardless of leagues and cups.

kdjac

**hoopy** · 31/01/2007, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Pats board would more than welcome rovers (and associated revenues) into Richmond. Fans wouldn't care either.

Not for 4k we wouldn't

**brendy_�ire** · 31/01/2007, 7:41 PM

Setanta Cup Regulations 2007:
Entry Process
The Tournament shall be on invitational basis only and invitations shall be issued by
both Associations to four clubs under their jurisdiction taking into account the following sporting criteria listed in order of priority:

Clubs under the jurisdiction of the FAI:
� 2006 season Premier Division League championship winners.
� 2006 season FAI Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the FAI Cup, then the runner-up club in the FAI Cup shall be invited.
� 2006 season League Cup winners.
� 2006 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.

In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.

We qualified for the Cup under the 2nd and 4th criteria, so therefore "the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table", so it should be Sligo, not Pats who get into the Cup.

For Pats to get it, that would have to mean that Shels were being stripped of their League title, which they are not being. If that was the case, then we would have to switch groups. But Sligo should be in, IMO.

Basically, if Pats are in, they should take Cork's place, Cork should take Drogheda's, Drogheda should take ours and we should take Shels'.

I think that makes sense.

**Dodge** · 31/01/2007, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I think a minor points deduction is adequate enough punishment for Shels, and if they can't reach European criteria by UEFA's deadline than take their CL spot too, but they should be given until said deadline to get their house in order

If the obtaied last years license ith fraudelent accounts, they should be stripped off the league. Anything else is ridiculous.

And I have every right to want them to die.

**Peadar** · 31/01/2007, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

If Shels results were expunged:

That will never happen because, Shels completed their full schedule of fixtures. They were even willing to play an extra fixture against Bohs.

**SligoBrewer** · 31/01/2007, 7:51 PM

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Setanta Cup Regulations 2007:
Entry Process
The Tournament shall be on invitational basis only and invitations shall be issued by
both Associations to four clubs under their jurisdiction taking into account the following sporting criteria listed in order of priority:

Clubs under the jurisdiction of the FAI:
� 2006 season Premier Division League championship winners.
� 2006 season FAI Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the FAI Cup, then the runner-up club in the FAI Cup shall be invited.
� 2006 season League Cup winners.
� 2006 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.

In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.

We qualified for the Cup under the 2nd and 4th criteria, so therefore "the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table", so it should be Sligo, not Pats who get into the Cup.

For Pats to get it, that would have to mean that Shels were being stripped of their League title, which they are not being. If that was the case, then we would have to switch groups. But Sligo should be in, IMO.

Basically, if Pats are in, they should take Cork's place, Cork should take Drogheda's, Drogheda should take ours and we should take Shels'.

I think that makes sense.

we shud be in cause shels are still title holders

**kdjaC** · 31/01/2007, 8:06 PM

Originally Posted by hoopy

Not for 4k we wouldn't

How much is Tolka

As your fans would be the only guranteed income for Shels.

kdjac

**TheSaint2002** · 31/01/2007, 8:22 PM

one thing thing people are forgetting is this is revenge time for all at richmond park (remember that little ruckus in 02) so sligo can shag off we are getting shels setanta place as first payment and a place in Europe as the final pay back.Oh this is sweet.

**Soper** · 31/01/2007, 8:27 PM

Logical indeed.

**Gareth** · 31/01/2007, 8:41 PM

I'm pretty disappointed this evening. Not because Shels are going out of business or could be, but because the league I have devoted so much of my time to seems to be partly rejoicing about Shels demise. I am not blind to the fact people anger about Shels buying the league, and Shels were spending above their abilities to fund and that the trouble is self made. That is grounds to be a bit ****ed off about Shels behaviour. However a club of such long history and its support and presence to the league over the years should be remembered for their history and not their immediately present.

Over the years I have supported any club in trouble, or just even any club selling me a ticket for this that or the other. I see the league as something that needs all the support and backing as much as possible. I know most people I have sat beside over the years feel the same. Ollie Byrne is a hate figure to many EL fans, but Shels is also the cornerstone in plenty of people's lives. I grew up with Shels, and put up with some stick because of it (I went to school beside Dalyer

), and if it wasn't a Bohs fan given a hard time, it was a English team supporter laughing as you tell them your off to Monaghan to watch a game in the bitter cold only for it to turn out to be some direr 0-0

. Shels is a huge deal to me, and many fans. Foot.ie posters complain we have let this happen, we should now stand up and be counted, help the club, but it is a very complex and difficult thing for a small bunch of laypeople to do. I help my club everyday in the manner I know how. So do many people, but well it is just very sad to think so many fans are happy to see a club die. I personally can say I have put in plenty of hours a day into Shels and it annoys me to read posters say fans didn't help Shels or try and do their bit. I can name dozens and dozens of people who give up huge volumes of time to help. Are people totally lost on the idea that someone owned 99% of the club and was not one to listen to some bloke off the street when it came to running his business? I don't really know what action could have been taken? Boycotts etc, well we have small enough crowds already. And people voiced their issues many times. Awh I don't know, its like football fans think once fans decide a club is run badly, all they need to do is wave the magic wand and the owners will sell and move on.

Bah!! Rant over.