Quoteif he played for one of those clubs he would be put in the same bracket as players like David Connolly or Jonathan Douglas, not in terms of talent, but in that most of you would be raging that he wasnt in the squad
If he played for those clubs people he wouldn't be in the Ireland squad. Mid level championship player at best.Originally Posted by FootballsKing
Good luck to the lad though
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if he played for one of those clubs he would be put in the same bracket as players like David Connolly or Jonathan Douglas, not in terms of talent, but in that most of you would be raging that he wasnt in the squad
Wasn't he injured???
If you could make 11 substitutions, they could all have come off at half time. He was no worse than anyone else. And arguably would not have made that **** up for the goal had he been in central defence.
To be fair if he did what McShane did and moved on from United a lot sooner I think he always had the talent to become a decent centre-half. It now seems though that he'll be blighted by the "utility-man" tag for the rest of his career...
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Anyone who's raging that David Connolly isnt in the Irish squad should go away and get their head examined. He's a good championship player - probably cos he thinks he's better than every1 at that level - and if Sunderland get promoted Roy Keane will dump him like the piece of s**t he is
The simple problem is that he never ever plays as well for Ireland like he does for United and if you ask any proper United fans (ie. the ones who actually go to games as opposed to watching them on Sky) they will tell you that he is the most unpopular Utd player amongst the supporters because they don't think he's good enough for them.
Right place right time as far as his club goes, Fergie needed a new Phil Neville to cover half a dozen positions but I've never seen him play a full 90 minutes of note in an Ireland shirt.
O Shea is a bit of a conundrum. Home Vs. San Marino, he stood out - as a high profile player that under-performed,looked very poor. Away to San Marino, he was injured, thats why he came off. I agree that he is UTD's current 'Phil Neville', can't decide if he's best at right back, left back, centre half or centre mid. That cannot help any player. Also, he does seem happy to take his place in the squad, as opposed to forcing his way into Fergies team, same as Wes Brown & Darren Fletcher.
As far as I'm concerned, Stan should only be calling up REGULAR match day players, these players have current form, are match fit, and are continuing to start matches, as opposed to getting 90mins for your country and none for your club!
In this regard, John would need a steady run in the Utd team in order to get into national squad.
My personal opinion is that we could all see what talent he's got, if he did get to play regularly.
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Whatever about O'Shea, I don't think you could argue that he's less prone to a mistake than any of our other players. Would he have ignored Henderson's call?
Simple question - how many good games has O'Shea had in a green shirt?
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No i wouldn't be singing his praises. In fact if he was playing for City I doubt i'd be singing his praises
I think he had to the potential to be a pretty decent player, but he never settled in one position which has ultimately led to where he is today. I think he played his best games for united when he was centre half, i cant remember the last time he was there and judging by whats in front of him it'll be a long time before he is. He's not the greatest player with the ball at his feet so dont think he can play in centre midfield.
It has been rumoured that if Sunderland come up then Roy will bring him there and i doubt fergie would offer too much resistance. The ironic thing is i think O'S is the type of player Keane was ranting about not too long ago when he said there was a number of Irish players in the premiership who were happy in their comfort zone at their club and didnt push themselves enough- O'S is a prime example of this!
heh good one.
O'shea-consistently the worst irish player of the last 3 years bar none. his display against san marino at home in a game we won 5-0 was utterly woeful. had a fantastic debut season for united and is in a comfort zone.
would not hesitate in saying he probably doesnt give a cr@p that he's not first choice any more at united.
ill say it again though, its up to managers not to pick him. nothing personal, nice lad, shocking performer for ireland.
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He's a disgrace. Not once has he performed in an Irish shirt. I can forgive club form if a player at least looks like he can put in a decent effort for Ireland but he has been consistently rubbish for us.
So f*ck him.
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He's consistently terrible for Ireland. I couldn't care less what club he plays for. Every game it's the same story. Crap
thats a classic
Since his performance against Switzerland in the final game of the 2004 qualifiers when they lost 2-0 and he was a disgrace, he seems to have somehow gotten worse and worse for Ireland.
The fact is if Ireland had a manager who wasnt a sh**ty a*se and who didnt mind upsetting some of the prima donnas in the team, then he'd have been dropped from the squad a long time ago. His attitude is disgusting
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It's bad enough that successive Irish managers pick O'Shea but it is far worse for the 'best fans in the world' behave like fU**ing idiots booing our own player.
I think the Oshea criticism is way over the top. you have to remember he is always played out of position. midfield? no way. I would have him at left back or nowhere else. (I know he is originally a centre back but I dont think he was ever played there for a good reason.) the booing thing is ridiculous. people should f*ck off and live in liverpool if they want to boo man u players.
He is a talented player who hasnt really played well in a long time. needs to leave man u and get regular football in the one position.
we dont have enough talent to be dispensing with anyone.
somebody in irish set up must rate him.. he is usually picked for every game.. consistently terrible for ireland !!! but you could also add a lot more names also... bit rough to try & blame him for all off irelands recent problems..
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