John O'Shea

Den Perry

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So are you telling me that a lot of guys on this site did not boo when we were one nil down at Landsowne to liechenstein? [QUOTE]

When did they go 1-0 down to liechenstein?? Did you have a dream bout this cos it never happened in reality - maybe you should actually watch the game thats in front of you rather than hallucinating all the time

[QUOTE=lionelhutz;580228]Den Perry

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So are you telling me that a lot of guys on this site did not boo when we were one nil down at Landsowne to liechenstein?

When did they go 1-0 down to liechenstein?? Did you have a dream bout this cos it never happened in reality - maybe you should actually watch the game thats in front of you rather than hallucinating all the time

now thats funny
1-3 as far as i can remember!

I think it was 3-1 against Andorra. Andorra took the lead as far as i remember. but point is still valid nonetheless. fans dont have to put up with blatantly poor displays. ya pay your money ya can do what ya want. did we also go 1 nil down to Luxembourg under Charltons first campaign? cant remember.

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

I think it was 3-1 against Andorra. Andorra took the lead as far as i remember. but point is still valid nonetheless. fans dont have to put up with blatantly poor displays. ya pay your money ya can do what ya want. did we also go 1 nil down to Luxembourg under Charltons first campaign? cant remember.

Yeah, Stapleton scored the equaliser IIRC, cant remember who got the winner

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

I think it was 3-1 against Andorra. Andorra took the lead as far as i remember. but point is still valid nonetheless. fans dont have to put up with blatantly poor displays. ya pay your money ya can do what ya want. did we also go 1 nil down to Luxembourg under Charltons first campaign? cant remember.

Bill, this thread is about people booing JOS. It's one thing booing a team off after a poor display, I don't think many people have a problem with that, its another thing to boo one of our own players everytime they touch the ball... I'm sure you wouldn't agree with that

I dont know what you are getin at to be honest. you brought up the whole some people want the team to fail thing. Myself and Den Perry who you seem to be tryin to goad into some kinda row both agreed the booing of JOS was unjustified.

Originally Posted by nedder

Bill, this thread is about people booing JOS. It's one thing booing a team off after a poor display, I don't think many people have a problem with that, its another thing to boo one of our own players everytime they touch the ball... I'm sure you wouldn't agree with that

How about if that player, for whatever reason, is one of the main culprits in generating that poor display from the team?

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

I dont know what you are getin at to be honest. you brought up the whole some people want the team to fail thing. Myself and Den Perry who you seem to be tryin to goad into some kinda row both agreed the booing of JOS was unjustified.

It was Den who said he was waiting for the chance to boo Stan.. If i misread that to mean he was hoping for us to do badly, I'll apologise to Den. I'm not trying to get into any kinda row with you or Den, just wanted to know where ye are coming from - look we all know Staunton was a poor appointment, my reading of it is that i think a dismal display against the cechs after Cyprus would of cost him his job, but that didn't happen.
I think people should direct their anger towards Delaney - who has exteded his contract until 2012..

Originally Posted by osarusan

How about if that player, for whatever reason, is one of the main culprits in generating that poor display from the team?

Have you ever played football?

Originally Posted by nedder

Have you ever played football?

Yes, hundreds, thousands of games. Seen about........I dont know, 700 or so Limerick FC games (if that counts as football.)

I hope your whole arguement isnt based on the fact that I have spent 2 years on this site talking about a sport I have no interest in.



But I have a few questions for everybody here........

For fans who feel it is acceptable to boo players/teams

What is your motivation behind booing players? What do you hope it will achieve?


For those who see booing players/teams as unacceptable

What do you see as the motivation of those who boo players? What do you think they hope it will achieve?

Originally Posted by osarusan

...For those who see booing players/teams as unacceptable

What do you see as the motivation of those who boo players? What do you think they hope it will achieve?

I must admit that booing a bad performance after a game is acceptable. I find it totally unacceptable to boo your own team during the game. Only a moron could believe that is any way constructive. Getting behind your team is possibly one way of lifting the game of the players.

As for the question? I can only assume it's frustration. In the context of Ireland it is also the inability to accept that we are not like England, with a population of 50 million to pick from with very little competition from other sports, especially at school, or the financial strength, even if we haven't lost to the b*stards in the lifetime of many on this thread.

[QUOTE=osarusan;580457]Yes, hundreds, thousands of games. Seen about........I dont know, 700 or so Limerick FC games (if that counts as football.)

I hope your whole arguement isnt based on the fact that I have spent 2 years on this site talking about a sport I have no interest in.QUOTE]

Ok, I shouldn't have asked that. But In my opinion JOS shouldn't be singled out for the abuse like he is at the moment. I think you are going overboard here. At the end of the day its a team game..


I'll answer your next Q when I get the time.......

Originally Posted by lopez

I must admit that booing a bad performance after a game is acceptable. I find it totally unacceptable to boo your own team during the game. Only a moron could believe that is any way constructive. Getting behind your team is possibly one way of lifting the game of the players.

Thanks Lopez, You've just answered it for me.......

Originally Posted by lopez

I must admit that booing a bad performance after a game is acceptable. I find it totally unacceptable to boo your own team during the game.
As for the question? I can only assume it's frustration.

Originally Posted by nedder

Ok, I shouldn't have asked that. But In my opinion JOS shouldn't be singled out for the abuse like he is at the moment. I think you are going overboard here. At the end of the day its a team game..

Right. A couple of fair, honest answers.

Lopez, I actually have never booed players during or after a game myself, any kind of game, but I think I do understand those who do it, and I think it is acceptable during a game also, even if obviously not supportive. The frustration you mentioned might just boil over in some quicker than others.

Nedder, I havent seen some of the games in question, so cant comment on that, most seem to agree that he is bad, but not so much worse than some others.

My comments were based more towards the general idea that "if you boo the players/team, you know nothing/want them to fail" - this I disagree with.

celtic fans who boo telfer , sunderland fans who booed kilbane , ireland fans who boo john o'shea -- MUPPETS

you boo your bloody opponents not your own players !!
and if you do boo them its not while they are playing but after a pathetic performance !!

How many players play better when their own fans are on their back ?
dont you realise you are hurting your own team ?

It makes zero sense to me and i defy anyone to rationalise it

Originally Posted by osarusan

Right. A couple of fair, honest answers.

Lopez, I actually have never booed players during or after a game myself, any kind of game, but I think I do understand those who do it, and I think it is acceptable during a game also, even if obviously not supportive. The frustration you mentioned might just boil over in some quicker than others.

Nedder, I havent seen some of the games in question, so cant comment on that, most seem to agree that he is bad, but not so much worse than some others.

My comments were based more towards the general idea that "if you boo the players/team, you know nothing/want them to fail" - this I disagree with.

eh I think orusan just did....

Originally Posted by RogerMilla

How many players play better when their own fans are on their back ?

exactly - none

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

I think it was 3-1 against Andorra. Andorra took the lead as far as i remember. but point is still valid nonetheless. fans dont have to put up with blatantly poor displays. ya pay your money ya can do what ya want. did we also go 1 nil down to Luxembourg under Charltons first campaign? cant remember.

Sorry, I meant Luxembourg....not Liechtenstein. Think it was in the qualifiers for USA 94. Not sure

played for a club like Birmingham, Sunderland, Man City, or Blackburn you would all be singing his praises. I know im going to get abused for this but he would stand out and people just like to hand out fierce abuse when he makes obe mistake while others mistakes go ignored. Yes he has had alot of bad games for us down the years but Shay Given aside who hasnt? The fact is he along with Steve Finnan is the only player who plays any sort of first team football for a top 4 club and you dont do that by being an absolute shocker at the game. Most of the players you hear around here that people claim should take his international place would be nowhere near the Manchester United first team and to put it simply we have few alternatives at international level, and if any of you were international manager i sincerely doubt you would actually follow through with your claims that he should be dropped.

These are exactly the type of responses i expected but can you not see my point even a little bit? Yes i watched the game, saw that he was shocking but also saw ten others that were also shocking