Irish Founding Fathers

[dancinpants]

Oh thats gotta be embarassing

[bennocelt]

god man ye guys are funny!!

facts..............paddy macca
the british brought football to argentina
"british" who arrived included lots of irish and scottish
paddy macca set up lots of football clubs all aorund argentina, was coach of boca
many sources say he founded boca juniors, with 5 italian guys

now its hardly a huge jump to say he helped found Boca juniors from all these facts, unless you are stupid which most clearly some of ye are

my point , which i guess ye missed, is that you cant just knock numerous sources witout at leats doing some background checks
and yes, i still , for one, believe that paddy macca had a helping hand in setting up boca

i guess i will have to trawl the net for more sources!!

(oh by the way.i knew what i was posting in the last one.......well spotted (Claps all around!!), just to get you thinking that there is a Paddy macca, and he was heavily involved in football in argentina at this time, and with boca), still doesnt prove me wrong though, god ye guys arent much good at history are you!)


http://www.rockspringssports.com/spo..._history.shtml
http://www.wayso.net/soccer_history.htm

[Dodge]

Keep going

[bennocelt]

Keep going

will do

[kingdom hoop]

i thought terry 'pacy' phelan was a coach in carolina, but in fact for two seasons has been player/coach of otago united who are from dunedin and play in the New Zealand league. he was widely feted as the best player to ever grace the league on his arrival(though i guess when ex-middlesboro and crystal palace defender dean gordon(remember him!!) is your nearest competition thats not a great claim to fame!)


terry clearly hasnt lost his competitive edge either, after a recent match he commented;
"I expect to win and if there is anything wrong with expecting to win then I might as well leave and sit on a beach. We go 2-1 up with three minutes to go and we give a stupid goal away...it was three points lost." .

he appears to be making an impact on the local scene having recounted stories from his irish days as a guest speaker at a local sports awards night, apparently entertaining the crowd with anecdotes.

the fans of otago(bout 800) seem very pleased to have him;I can tell you he has put the boots on, and subbed himself at half time. It was an average performance, still probably better than most on the field.

He's made a name for himself here as one hell of a hard but fair and impeciably professional gaffer. How we got him to ply his trade here is beyond me, but we appreciate it and he has us up to 4th in the table and 2 of his boys are in the national squad (due to play Charlton Athletic and Crystal Palace in London late July).

Anyway we have him on a 2 year contract, and we all down here in Dunedin would love to see him come off the bench, he's kitted up a couple of times now."

phelan completed otago's most recent game, a fair achievement at forty. the team are currently second from bottom of the league so i'm not sure if all terry's work will come to fruition, its probably a sow's ear type situation though in fairness. a 'terry phelan otago' google search should yield some more info, a really great pro and its an honour to have him had represented us.

[BohsPartisan]

Aparantly Shamrock Rovers are the only club in Dublin founded by Irish men.

[EalingGreen]

god man ye guys are funny!!

facts..............paddy macca
the british brought football to argentina
"british" who arrived included lots of irish and scottish
paddy macca set up lots of football clubs all aorund argentina, was coach of boca
many sources say he founded boca juniors, with 5 italian guys

now its hardly a huge jump to say he helped found Boca juniors from all these facts, unless you are stupid which most clearly some of ye are

my point , which i guess ye missed, is that you cant just knock numerous sources witout at leats doing some background checks
and yes, i still , for one, believe that paddy macca had a helping hand in setting up boca

i guess i will have to trawl the net for more sources!!

http://www.rockspringssports.com/spo..._history.shtml
http://www.wayso.net/soccer_history.htm

Benno, I think you should let Boca know what you've found, since they seem unaware of it. Their Official Site (English Version) merely states the following:

"Boca Juniors was born on Monday april 3rd,1905, when five young boys who lived in La Boca neighbourhood (Esteban Baglietto, Alfredo Scarpatti, Santiago Sana and brothers Juan and Teodoro Farenga) got together at Solís Square with the intention to found a football club.

Without even imagining it, this group of italian inmigrants wrote the first pages of the rich history of Argentina’s most popular football club.

The name of the club was taken from that of the neighbourhood but the word "Juniors" was added to give it an english tone and enhance it with more prestige, in order to counteract the “difficult neighbourhood” fame La Boca had gained at that time"
( http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/englis...b_historia.php )

While you're at it, you might also add to the club's otherwise extensive Wikipedia entry, since there is no mention of Paddy McCarthy anywhere:
http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/englis...b_historia.php

P.S. Is it possible that Paddy McCarthy introduced Professional Boxing to Argentina as well?

[EalingGreen]

Another example of Irish influence on overseas football?

Football was introduced in Malta at the end of the 18th Century by the British troops stationed on the island. At that time Malta formed part of the British Empire and, the Island was the base of British forces in the heart of the Mediterranean.

The British forces in Malta were mainly stationed in the three cities, Mtarfa, Tigne', St Andrews and in Floriana. The forces' barracks, which were strategically located around the Island, enjoyed large areas that were used as parade grounds, training areas and for sporting activities. The sports practised by the soldiers were mainly cricket, hockey and football.

Obviously, the locals who were influenced by the soldiers stationed in the area were introduced to these sporting activities. The most popular sports amongst the residents of Floriana was football, however some also practised cricket and hockey. It is worth noting at this juncture that Floriana still has its hockey club.

It is said that at the end of the 18th Century a group of youngsters from Floriana, assisted by soldiers based in the area, formed the first football team. It is understood that this team held football matches against another team formed in Cospicua, the St George's. There is also historical proof that both teams were the first football teams in Malta. However there is evidence that FFC was established in 1894, which makes it the first football club set up on the Island.

Between 1894 and 1905 the club's colours were green/red quartered shirts, black shorts with green and red socks. The official colours of the club as we know them today, green and white vertical striped shirts, white shorts and green/white horizontal striped socks, were introduced in 1905. At that time the Royal Irish Fusiliers were stationed in Floriana. During that year, three friendly matches were held between this regiment and FFC, at the end of the final match both teams exchanged their shirts and, the officials of the Irish Fusiliers expressed their wish that FFC changed their official colours to their green and white shirts. Incidentally, this regiment left the Island in that same year.

The ties between Floriana and the Royal Irish Fusiliers were so strong that the people hailing from Floriana were nicknamed after the Irish, "Tal-Irish".
( http://www.florianafc.com/history.htm )

[bennocelt]

Benno, I think you should let Boca know what you've found, since they seem unaware of it. Their Official Site (English Version) merely states the following:

While you're at it, you might also add to the club's otherwise extensive Wikipedia entry, since there is no mention of Paddy McCarthy anywhere:
http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/englis...b_historia.php

P.S. Is it possible that Paddy McCarthy introduced Professional Boxing to Argentina as well?

nooooooooooooooooooooo, i wont let it go
i have my argentina friend on the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way...wikipedia isnt exactly a reliable source, but you know that already!

[Leeza]

What about Che 'lynch' Guevara?

Not exactly football, I know...