Quotewell if they want to be PAYE professionals fine, that'll be a 37.5 hour week then
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Revenue did a big investigation into the construction industry last year on this issue and hammered companies for paying people as subbies when infact they were employee's.Originally Posted by Philo
As you said, Shels tried this too, and it was found to be a breach of Tax Regulations. I would've thought that the football registration system made it very hard to claim they were genuine sub contractors.
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well if they want to be PAYE professionals fine, that'll be a 37.5 hour week then
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Not all PAYE jobs are 37.5 hours a week.
I think it comes down to one question - why should footballers be any different than any other employee.
I think the PFAI contract should include a box for "promotion" which would be up to each player to negotiate with their club when sign contracts. Some will happily include it while others will have hours included by their club in exchange for increased wages...
Actually, that you mention it, footballers wouldn't qualify as subbies under Revenue's criteria alright. It is actually fairly clearly defined.
However, it'd still be relatively handy to work out gross from nett.
How do you know to add the standard or the top rate of PAYE tax on top?
Get the info from the employee.
Apply emergency tax.
Check if he's earning more than his SRCO and just tax him at 41% for everything (quite a likely scenario).
What happens if employees information is incorrect?
This is only a temporary measure & would mean player having to pay huge tax bill & reclaim later.
Similar but not as bad as emergency tax but would also mean player having to pay very high tax upfront & from those on modest wages probably not able to afford that.
Fulltime players should be paid like any other PAYE worker in the state. Part-timers could be paid as contractors.
Just get his tax card issued from Revenue; not that difficult. Ask Revenue for it in fact. Ask his employer for wage details.
Edit - in fact, I'll change this and note that it's quite possible to ask for your tax credits to be allocated between two different jobs. So now you know exactly what they're to end up with, exactly what tax applies and you can easily work backwards to work out the total cost to you.
Tough on the player then. Get your tax card. Everyone else has to.
Don't understand this? The player wouldn't have to pay any tax up front; it's PAYE, which means your tax gets stopped before you get it. Being able to afford it doesn't come into it; you never get the money into your hand in the first place.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 31/01/2007 at 1:25 PM.
Pineapple, are you really defending the Nett Pay contracts and trying to make out they're not more difficult to administer than Gross Pay ones? It may be helpful if you could suggest to clubs the payroll system that they should be using that will handle this working backwards approach to payroll administration, particularly given that tax is cumulative?
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I call it a spreadsheet. I've done it plenty of times. You have your nett pay, you have your tax rates, and you use trial and error to get the gross. You obviously do this in advance so that, in contract negotiations for example, you know what you're getting yourself in for.
Obviously gross contracts are easier to work out, but that doesn't mean nett contracts are very difficult.
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