Chris Turner

**galwayhoop** · 26/01/2007, 3:51 PM

dcfcsteve, my outline of what a football supporter does is a description of what i, and most on this forum, do. it is irrational if you think about it. the undying support given to a team is if you really think about it not the most rational thing in ones life. the fact that you give your support regardless of the quality put in front of you, regardless of results or regardless of what backwater it may bring you to. it is irrational and i love it!

btw i agree 100% about the manogomy bit

**galwayhoop** · 26/01/2007, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

The world has gone PC crazy - Jade Goody, Herschelle Gibbs, that BNP ballerina etc etc- and when football fans decide to join in then we may as well throw our collective hat at it.

second that

**BohsPartisan** · 26/01/2007, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

How is that irrational ??

Its a byproduct of natural selection. That is to say it is natural though not exactly what nature had intended. We found organising into groups gave us a natural advantage over other species - hunting, farming, defence etc. Supporting football teams is a byeproduct of that group mentality. It in itself serves no useful purpose but the thing that makes us do it does have a use.

**BohDiddley** · 26/01/2007, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

BD - Read Dodge's post again, us calling you Orange Bastar*ds is not and cannot be sectarian but as far as I'm concerned anything short of racism is fine. If Turner signs for Bohs, he'll get it with both barrels same as Lee Feeney did from you lot last year.

As an example, I was out with a mate of Keith Gillespie's last Saturday and we ripped the (sectarian) pish out of each other all night and no harm done.

The world has gone PC crazy - Jade Goody, Herschelle Gibbs, that BNP ballerina etc etc- and when football fans decide to join in then we may as well throw our collective hat at it.

KOH

The old PC argument finally is wheeled out. Nothing is objectionable, and nothing can be objected to. So sectarianism mysteriously can be justified, where racism can't. Bull****.
I'm sure you and your mate had mighty crack, but that's private behaviour. It doesn't square with inviting people to think less of a football club because of it involvement by members of a particular creed.

**WeAreRovers** · 26/01/2007, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

I'm sure you and your mate had mighty crack, but that's private behaviour. It doesn't square with inviting people to think less of a football club because of it involvement by members of a particular creed.

I'd never met the chap before, that's the point. Anyway, I'm wasting my time, you seem determined to carry that chip around with you.

KOH

**Vitruvian Man** · 26/01/2007, 4:20 PM

I agree with WAR.

It's just a harmless bit of banter.

Like last Friday when I was calling my Nigerian taxi driver a ******. He knew I was just having a laugh. Sure he was laughing himself... well, on the inside. But I was drunk so it doesn't really matter.

**Vitruvian Man** · 26/01/2007, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

as long as our reviosionist chums in pigsboro keep denying that their club was founded as part of the British military unit that shot the volunteers in 16 and broke the strikes of 1913, we will keep winding them up.

older bozos will remember the rangers shirts their fans used to wear in the 70's too.....

im not sectarian. i despise bohs *******s of all colours and creeds

This one is like that game where the rabbit keeps popping up and you have to hit it with a plastic hammer.

As usual at this point I ask if you can provide historical sources for that allegation. They don't have to be web based, I'll take book referances. Needless to say I won't be holding my breath until you get back to me.

It seems to be some weird part of the psyche of the knuckle-draggers at Irelands most famous hooligan club that they seem to get their rocks off on the green side of Irish sectarianism. The casting of Bohs as evil unionist prodestants is the humorous

side of it. But it also has a dark side, like posters inciting voilence on the Rovers message board in advance of the dubious "Love Ulster" parade, and all this without the mods intervening.

**Dodge** · 26/01/2007, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by David

How anyone can even begin to claim that calling someone an orange b**tard is not sectarian is way beyond me.

Calling a group of Irish (predominently) catholics from Dublin orange *******s is not sectarian, and never will be (in the Bohs/Rovers tradition).

Some lad in Derry calling Chris Turner an orange ******* is. See the difference?

At pats we used to monkey chant well known rascist David Crawley (when no black people in groiund obviously), best thing we've ever done...

**Schumi** · 26/01/2007, 9:17 PM

Originally Posted by Red4Eva

how posts has there been without chrissy bein mentioned?

Plenty until you came along.

**Raheny Red** · 26/01/2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

I agree with WAR.

It's just a harmless bit of banter.

Agreed.

**bohs til i die** · 27/01/2007, 9:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

so when you abuse lee feeney in a direct and clear sectarian manner what happens? **** off from your high moral ground

Revisionism. The Irish Hibernians. Well documented. Google is your friend.

They still dont get it. You deny your roots, we take the ****. Protestentisam? Nice try on the high moral ground. Your club was a part of the British military. We all know this. Hooligan club? Who allowed a hooligan flag pride of place? Whose board members drink with the BSC? Whose hooligans get a say in the appointment and removal of managers? Whose stewards attack their own staff?

I dont take lectures in hooliganism from any gypo

I could not care less who our founder members were. I wasnt around then and I wasnt around when Bohs were founder members of the league in this country that we still play in.

As for board members drinking with the BSC, what about Mick Kearns, ex Hoops director standing with the Rovers casuals at the Ballybough end of Tolka Park taunting Djurgardens fans [whilst he was wearing Rovers blazer/tie etc]. Hardly the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a club director and it is something similar to which Ollie Byrne gets plenty of stick from Hoops fans about.

Lee Feeney got some 'dirty orange *******' chants at a football match. Shock Horror. Are you seriously telling me that no player has ever received similar chants from a Rovers fan ever?

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

if this guy boots the f�ck out of someone for calling him an orange b�stard, i cant wait for the first Dublin derby when 4,000 Rovers fans call him and all his chums the same.

If your going to lecture Bohs fans about sectarian abuse you might want to not post about the sectarian abuse you and your imaginary 4000 hoops fans are going to dish out to a mixed religion football player from Belfast should he sign for Bohs.

**Vitruvian Man** · 27/01/2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

Revisionism. The Irish Hibernians. Well documented. Google is your friend.

I just want to nip in ahead of the mods here and tell you that I don't accept bull**** and evasion as proof of the Evil Bohs Mythology. I've googled as you suggested and there's nothing there. If you can provide the links I've missed then that would be great, but I will also take old-fashioned book referances.

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

I dont take lectures in hooliganism from any gypo

I'm sure you don't, you are probably giving the class.

Anyway the mods can lock the thread now. I'm off to oppress a few workers and get up to my neck in Fenian blood. I might even rob the white stick off a blind man, for the laugh.

**SligoBrewer** · 27/01/2007, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

this thread is hilarious.

look what chris turner has started

**Vitruvian Man** · 27/01/2007, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

this thread is hilarious.

I point out with tongue firmly planted in cheek that a bloke who alledgedly commits abh for being called an orange b�stard is at best a liabilily in the heat of a Dublin derby and the d7 circus swings into full gear. regardless of the undertones, that sort of temper will be pushed to extremes

the denial and attempts to dilute the core point of the thread from the pigsboro boys is pure quality. your club was founded as part of the academy of a very nasty brigade of the british imperial army. deal with it. as dodge says, the hysterical over reaction to pointing this out is the only reason we point this out. as long as the likes of Vitruvian Man has kittens and cries for the thread to be locked, bohs will remain orange b�stards. end of.

the moralising from the fans that subjected lee feeny to vicious sectarian abuse 2 years ago would be cringewothy if it wasnt so pathetically predictible from the rabble.

bores fans have previous in pointing the finger at others while ignoring worse behaviour from their own.

in this parrallel universe a director under the magoo reign 'seen' by a gypo 'taunting' fans is of course far worse than bohs directord officially going out and trying to get the BSC flag back. or allowing it fly in the first place. or having members of the board standing the hooligans pints in the bar, allow stewards to attack managers, allowing drug dealing in the jodi etc etc.

total hypocricy, but its par for the black and tan course.

But whatabout whatabout.

So now I've got to the truth.
Our founders created the club to train the hanchmen of evil British dictators just like your ultras supporters club has links to Neo Nazi organisations.

Seig Heil Hoopnazi - maybe we have more in common than we thought.

**bohs til i die** · 27/01/2007, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

this thread is hilarious.

I point out with tongue firmly planted in cheek that a bloke who alledgedly commits abh for being called an orange b�stard is at best a liabilily in the heat of a Dublin derby and the d7 circus swings into full gear. regardless of the undertones, that sort of temper will be pushed to extremes

the denial and attempts to dilute the core point of the thread from the pigsboro boys is pure quality. your club was founded as part of the academy of a very nasty brigade of the british imperial army. deal with it. as dodge says, the hysterical over reaction to pointing this out is the only reason we point this out. as long as the likes of Vitruvian Man has kittens and cries for the thread to be locked, bohs will remain orange b�stards. end of.

the moralising from the fans that subjected lee feeny to vicious sectarian abuse 2 years ago would be cringewothy if it wasnt so pathetically predictible from the rabble.

bores fans have previous in pointing the finger at others while ignoring worse behaviour from their own.

in this parrallel universe a director under the magoo reign 'seen' by a gypo 'taunting' fans is of course far worse than bohs directord officially going out and trying to get the BSC flag back. or allowing it fly in the first place. or having members of the board standing the hooligans pints in the bar, allow stewards to attack managers, allowing drug dealing in the jodi etc etc.

total hypocricy, but its par for the black and tan course.

From a small collection of footballers from Bella Academy, a Civil Service college in North Great Georges Street, founded in 1887, and who became Richfield in 1889 came some of our founders. They joined with some students from Dublin Hospitals and masters from the Hibernian Military school to form a new club in 1890.

They met at Gate Lodge in the Phoenix Park to have their first meeting in 1890. When the question of naming the club arose, there were two proposals, "Rovers" or "Bohemians"

The above is taken from An Outline History of the club as written by former president of Bohemians, Phil Howlin. Thats our history. Bohemian FC is a football club but has always hosted and encouraged other sports throughout its history and the only people who seem to have a problem with our history are Shamrock Rovers fans. I dont particularily care who our founders were. Bohemian FC is a football/sports club, not a politicial or religious association. You have a problem with that, I dont and the majority of Bohs fans dont really care who our founders were.

A section of Bohs fans have shouted sectarian abuse at Lee Feeney, but that happens at football matches and I am 100% certain Rovers fans [or fans of many other clubs] have roared sectarian abuse at opposition players and to be honest I dont really care. It happens.

The club has had problems in the bars and has dealt with them. The club was wrong to allow a story on a BSC flag on its official website and I seriously doubt directors of the club have 'stood' members of the BSC drinks at the bars.

As for the Mick Kearns incident, it happened, end of. Are the 400 club still accepting money from Rovers casuals?

**Dr.Nightdub** · 27/01/2007, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

When the question of naming the club arose, there were two proposals, "Rovers" or "Bohemians"

You're kidding?!?! I never heard that before. If anything ever had potential to propel the whole Bohs-Rovers thing to new heights of Pavlov's-dog comedy, that would've been it. Imagine the hilarity for the whole rest of us in watching Rovers fans abusing Rovers fans for being nothing but dirty Rovers scum.

A great opportunity lost. Shame on Bohs.

**Vitruvian Man** · 27/01/2007, 4:32 PM

So we have a sports club founded by Civil Servants, Medical Students and Teachers in an Army School.

Add a bit of the old Rovers mythology and you get...

"their club was founded as part of the British military unit that shot the volunteers in 16 and broke the strikes of 1913,"
"Your club was a part of the British military"
"your club was founded as part of the academy of a very nasty brigade of the british imperial army"

I'm still not seeing the link between Bohs and evil British oppression.

I do find Bohs history during that period very facinating though. I believe Bohemians sent 20 odd players and staff to fight for the British Empire during World War I in the Dublin Fusiliers "Pals Batallions" - not anywhere near Shelbournes 40 odd. How many did Irelands Most Famous Boom-Bust Club send - well none because Rovers didn't exist. Was it one of the usual Rovers flash in the pan now you see us now you don't act, or maybe all the Rovers players, being great nationalist infiltrators of the staunchly British enclave of Ringsend were all in the GPO letting fly at those dirty orange *******s.

Perhaps when Bohs shot the martyrs in Kilmainham gaol it was the first ever Bohs/Rovers hooligan scrap. See you on Doyles corner Connolly. blam.

Just about your main point though... Sectarian abuse for Chris Turner / Lee Feeney
I have heard all kinds of objectionable **** shouted from the stands of Dalymount Park - just as I have from many other football crowds. But the differance between us an you is that when it happens at Bohs the more respectable posters don't come onto neutral message boards like Foot.ie condoning it and looking forward to the next time they get to act like arseholes.

Unless of course you are going to admit that neither yourself nor WAR are respectable Rovers fans.

As for asking to have the thread locked - I am doing no such thing. I could bait you all day and I love the Bohs/Rovers cut and thrust. But I know the mods don't love it and I am trying to steer clear of the whatabout whatabout game that you and BTID want to get into.