Cork AUL 2006/07

**rebelrover** · 22/07/2007, 8:35 PM

Ah we're back to the ol' aul/msl debate again!! Personally, and again the game is all about opinions, the top 4 in aul are nowhere near the top 4 in msl. I agree, that no team would steamroll eachother, but 7/8 times out of ten the likes of avondale and everton would beat grattan and they're the best the aul have to offer. The likes of everton and avondale have excellent quality players, better teams than top aul sides. A more appropriate comparison should be made between the likes of grattan, bphehane kinsale and co to carrigaline, mayfield and corinthians. That's realistically the level grattan are at on their good days.

Before anyone asks im not pro msl and anti aul, im just giving an honest opinion. In the last 7 years ive played(and subbed more often that not!!) 4 years msl and 3 aul. In that time ive played in an aoh cup final (where the standard of opposition was poor) and lost an msl league on the last day of the season. So I suppose im in a better position than most to assess the standard in both leagues and offer a fair comparison. One mightnt realise it until they're actually playing msl, but the tempo and speed of the game is quicker.

I agree with ye that the last 16 fai junior is def as good as the last 16 intermediate cup, but when was the last time 3/4 teams from the aul made it into the last 16 of the fai junior in the same season. I personally cant recall! Every year u have at least 3-6 msl teams in last 16 of fai intermediate cup (although to be honest there are less rounds than fai junior)

**Innishvilla** · 23/07/2007, 8:34 AM

All, Some really good posts going about at the moment.

I have to say I agree with some comments that the top 2/3 in the MSL would be better than the four or so in the Premier that have been mentioned (I won't bother listing them they've been listed plenty of times). But also I do believe that the AUL's finest would all more than hold their own in the MSL premier and given a few years I could see a few of them challenging... However I wish they wouldn't all keep leaving or trying to leave.

I also believe sometimes the AUL gets a bit of a raw deal. They are accepting pure grassroots football... I'll take Ballypheane as an example; what is it about 4 years ago they entered into the 3rd division of the AUL, they've won promotion every year since with a great young team and are now being spoken of as possible contenders for the Premier crown... This cannot happen in MSL. MSL title is pretty much Rockmount and A.N. OTHER competing for the title. I know the AUL is messed up in more ways than not but at least it is not an exclusive club that only the "chosen few" can join.

**bellavistaman** · 23/07/2007, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Innishvilla

All, Some really good posts going about at the moment.

I have to say I agree with some comments that the top 2/3 in the MSL would be better than the four or so in the Premier that have been mentioned (I won't bother listing them they've been listed plenty of times). But also I do believe that the AUL's finest would all more than hold their own in the MSL premier and given a few years I could see a few of them challenging... However I wish they wouldn't all keep leaving or trying to leave.

I also believe sometimes the AUL gets a bit of a raw deal. They are accepting pure grassroots football... I'll take Ballypheane as an example; what is it about 4 years ago they entered into the 3rd division of the AUL, they've won promotion every year since with a great young team and are now being spoken of as possible contenders for the Premier crown... This cannot happen in MSL. MSL title is pretty much Rockmount and A.N. OTHER competing for the title. I know the AUL is messed up in more ways than not but at least it is not an exclusive club that only the "chosen few" can join.

totally agree with that post, fantastic.

**littleman** · 24/07/2007, 10:16 PM

In relation to facilitys and fitness,Avondale have a decent pitch,Rockmounts slopes away from the dressing room,Evertons slopes towards the airport,none have an allweather training surface,Grattan have fully lit I may add..and their dressing rooms will be completed before the new year,whats the excuse then,,,,,,,,,,

Dont get me wrong,but the Msl brigade never and i mean never in any of the last posts actually said that the Aul teams were on a par,just only as good as the weaker teams in the Msl Prem.Rockmount lost in the second round of the Intermediate against a 3rd division LSL team.Another post stated that he couldnt remember the last time 3/4 cork aul sides were in the semis of a major cup.That would be because in the Intermediate their is less than 150 teams and in the junior theirs nearly 700 teams roughly.Theirs only 3 senior leagues in the country by the way,the junior Fai has every junior and business league in the republic.

The AUL is what it is,problematic yes,but still the only platform for grass roots football in Cork to start.I state again that i appriciate the sterling work that the Msl has done.But,,,,,,,,,then for only Msl fans to think that it is the hotbed of Cork football is surely wrong.8 players picked for the amature squad( suposedly a national senior league squad),3 Rockmount,3 Avondale and Grattan 2(Cork Aul ,infeirior)what dose that say for the rest of the Msl.

The Msl has excellent sides,so dose the Aul,but as much as I,m delighted that Cork football has Intermediate champions in Avondale,I was just as delighted to see Grattan knock Peake and Pike(a match for any senior side in the country facility/player wise) and put Cork junior football back on the map as serious contenders for the Fai Junior.

Please remember,Senior league was meant to be clubs who have developed superior facilitys who wish to play on top class pitches.They would attract the better players one would think.Thats not the case all the time I'm afraid,the Aul is knocked,an knocked but I've said and I'll say again is it to much to think that the Aul top sides are on a par with the Msl.

I personaly would prefer to say that in releation to both junior and senior football in Cork we sit at the top table,heads held high.But we dont all play on a level playing field ????????????????????????

**littleman** · 30/07/2007, 6:33 PM

Passage (MSL) 1 Grattan Utd 3

**bellavistaman** · 31/07/2007, 7:47 AM

Originally Posted by littleman

Passage (MSL) 1 Grattan Utd 3

delighted.

**littleman** · 06/08/2007, 6:46 AM

any pre season news,new signings whos goin to win what

**rebelrover** · 06/08/2007, 4:36 PM

havent heard much myself to be honest. I've missed pre season due to injury but hoping to get back involved with 3 weeks.The team im joining will be much the same team as was last year and dont think il make much of a difference either way but ud never know!!

**alansmithccfc** · 06/08/2007, 7:22 PM

Do you have to be over 18 to play aul??
Im 17 like but after two leg breaks the speed and the fitness isnt the same

**callyno3** · 06/08/2007, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Do you have to be over 18 to play aul??
Im 17 like but after two leg breaks the speed and the fitness isnt the same

nope you can play away

**littleman** · 07/08/2007, 6:16 AM

2 leg breaks before your 18,you've no luck at all.Choose wisely who you decide to join because every team in the AUL is either fightin relegation or challanging for the top,not everyone can stomach it.

Whats the general thought on the Kinsale/AUL appeal.Kinsale reinstated to premier with a bigger fine though.I was shocked with what the Aul did to Kinsale but I thought fair dues for takin a stand against cheatin.Then the MFA who I used to think had a bit of cop on lost it all.

**bellavistaman** · 07/08/2007, 8:01 AM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Do you have to be over 18 to play aul??
Im 17 like but after two leg breaks the speed and the fitness isnt the same

Poor ****er, should have called yourself "colinhealyccfc"

. I played when i was 17 too. Tough at the start, but not long gettin used to it.

**pass&move** · 07/08/2007, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by alansmithccfc

Do you have to be over 18 to play aul??
Im 17 like but after two leg breaks the speed and the fitness isnt the same

You've plenty of time to play juinor football,find a club with a handy minor side and play another year.The AUL will still be here next season.

**bellavistaman** · 07/08/2007, 1:38 PM

or if you do go aul do your best to get premier prem a, or first div team that are contending, rest arent the best being honest

**Innishvilla** · 07/08/2007, 2:01 PM

No doubt any decent 17 year olds can play AUL. I wouldn't suggest any specific division teams, I'd more look at what sides are doing decent training... I missed a few year due to a very bad injury and my advice is if you've lost a bit of fitness from two leg breaks the last thing you'd need is a poor 3rd division side that struggles for 11 at matches never mind training. However, I do know alot of sides in all the divisions that are training hard, so I would base picking a team on who's doing some decent training and has nice hot showers for the long, cold, wet winter months (I suppose I could have said summer months as well).

**bellavistaman** · 07/08/2007, 2:19 PM

agree but the lower division you go, alot of bruisers in div 3 like, but its all about the training you will receive if you serious bout gettin fitness back and taking it from there like, but if its just a game of ball you want anywhere can provide that.

**littleman** · 07/08/2007, 2:42 PM

sorry innish,if its showers your after the pickins are slim,but the bar is never far from an AUL pitch to help your weary bones

**Innishvilla** · 07/08/2007, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by littleman

sorry innish,if its showers your after the pickins are slim,but the bar is never far from an AUL pitch to help your weary bones

All too true but I suppose those trusty magic pants always are helpful for the old trips to the bar on a Sunday afternoon...

**Innishvilla** · 07/08/2007, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by littleman

any pre season news,new signings whos goin to win what

It's all very quiet this year, Don't know if it's the terrible weather or what but the season is almost sneaking up on us... I suppose it's a bit hard to do predictions until all the divisions are finalised etc... I suppose there will be a few teams drop out/disappear as always, Lakewood have deserted for MSL, the list sent around by Billy Lyons there last week was missing a huge amount of teams that had not yet registered...

**littleman** · 07/08/2007, 4:01 PM

I would'nt be surprised to see a few surprises alright.I heard a little whisper that the Aul were going to refuse entry to fair few to try to weed out the hangers on.

Is it true that your your ex manager returned to Kinsale,has he taken any players with him to add insult to injury.Only askin.

The Aul tried to stand their ground for once and make an example of Kinsale,fair dues.I cant belive I just said that.Cant see any teams doin Kinsale favours this season over what they did.Its done week in week out in the lowere leagues,but to do it in the Premier to a fellow Premier side who could have been relegated as a result is low.The rematch with Villa should be a belter.