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[dalo]

Originally posted by Conor74
Objectively, City are turgid to watch. We have been played off the pitch by Bohs, Shamrock Rovers, Longford Town, just about any side when City travelled north of Glanmire etc. etc.

I don't mind the long ball, it can work well for limited players. It brought Ireland to the World stage. It kept Wimbledon in top flight football over the water for a while. But frankly, I don't think we have limited players. I believe that players like Murray, O'Flynn, O'Callaghan, Reynolds, could walk on to teams that play better football than us. There is no reason why Longford Town, who are slipping into relegation trouble, are able to play neater football, while City can only thump the ball forward.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take success before pretty football any day, a strategy that has worked well for Gerard Houllier at Liverpool, but this team might be missing an opportunity to get either.

For me, Murphy isn't the antichrist, and I'm sure he does try hard and is more committed to Cork City than many of us could ever be, but where is the imagination, the tactics, the pattern, the style?

excellant thread conor. you are right city are turgid to watch. they have been for years. it goes back to the days when noel o'mahony was in charge. a lot of mates just laugh when i try to get them go to games

we have talented players but a lot of them do go hiding when things get tough- alan carey, woods, o'callaghan. some are over the hill - daly and others are simply average - bennett. devine is a tad overated in my view while o'flynn (a gem) is plainly not match fit. others like greg, reynolds and o'grady are natural players and natural winners but don't always get the response .
form players around them.

yet why we keep going (or i keep going). it's because we know in our bones we have great potential but it just never happens. sometimes it's the players fault, sometimes it's the managers fault (dave barry to a extent, mountfield, hindmarch, murphy).

I have to admire murphy's spirit and fight in all this and that is why he has been a valuable player and servant to the club. however he would be doing the right thing in stepping down in jan. he can be his worst enemy at times giving ammo to people who probably don't realise the work that goes into running a club.

even murphy should realise he gave it his best shot and did a great job as assitant manager and taking us out of the mess created by DM. we are a lot better in someways than last season
but progession is needed. i am not in favour of seeing him sacked that could create more emity than unity- he is a after all a local man who is more city than any of us.

the guts shown by the city team on friday was great to watch but it ain't going to take us to the top i'm afraid.

[Éanna]

Originally posted by SSS
Eanna, did you see the goal celebration or hear pre and post match interviews with the players -- if they want to stab LM in the back, they're mighty dishonest.

No I didn´t- I´m in Spain. It wouldn´t be the first time in recent times that a CCFC manager has been stabbed in the back by his players, Murphy should know that better than anyone seeing as he did F**K all to prevent it happening to his predecessor.

Originally posted by SÓCcfc
I dont know whether ccfcman was trying to get at this but, whatever some people think of Gunther as a manager of CCFC I really do think at times attacks on him have been too much of a personal, non-football nature, Im sure well intended as a joke but IMO overboard from time to time.

As a recent convert to the Murphy-Out (well Murphy to Director of Football-role) I know that voicing opposition to Gunther at matches can be done by people who are passionate bout City but at the same time the man afforded some human dignity, for his own sake and the sake of his family.

fair point SOCCFC- just to clarify the point. When I refer to LM as an idiot, I am referring principally to his abilities as manager: I don´t know the guy, so I have no intention of commenting on his personal life. I don´t agree that Murphy should get personal abuse. but neither should he have told the press that the fans "know nothing about football" or that we were being brainwashed by the media. He is (at least) partly responsible for the fact that this has fgot personal- in insulting the fans, he cast the first stone IMO.

[SSS]

Originally posted by James
rubbish SSS
the players want murph out

Between this and Eanna telling me that I am "totally wrong" I'm feeling a bit hurt here.

Clearly they were trying to suffocate him in the dressing room on Friday when dalo was peeping...

[James]

sry SSS

but thems the breaks

good idea bout the sufficating thing though
but its something i wouldnt recommend
sufficatiion is not the answer kids

[SSS]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oddboy
[B]1. Where did I accuse you of being LM ?

Didn't say you did. I referred to the "LM in disguise stuff" - and NS, as we all know, is no better. Whether or not it was humourous ( you forgot the smiley face ), such comments are often attached to replies to anyone who dares write anything that questions the Anit LM agenda/position, thus subliminally undermining their view..

Do I have Sense of humour? Apparentlynot. LM is the funniest man alive in my book, with that deadpan look but twinkling eyes giving a clue to the comic genius within.

[SSS]

There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...

[dalo]

Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...

pretty hostile aren't they SSS? having a objective point of view can be a dangerous thing

[patsh]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SSS
[B]

Originally posted by oddboy
1. Where did I accuse you of being LM ?

Didn't say you did. I referred to the "LM in disguise stuff" - and NS, as we all know, is no better. Whether or not it was humourous ( you forgot the smiley face ), such comments are often attached to replies to anyone who dares write anything that questions the Anit LM agenda/position, thus subliminally undermining their view..

Do I have Sense of humour? Apparentlynot. LM is the funniest man alive in my book, with that deadpan look but twinkling eyes giving a clue to the comic genius within.

More looking at trees while not seeing the wood. Yet another post talking about the agenda of other posters while not putting forward anything to rebut the points they make.
Take it easy and learn to take the opinions of others with a little humour. Not everyone is out to get you........or Liam

[Gone Away]

Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...

Blame him for flooding the Northside. I think if it is dfown to him he should be given the freedom of the City.

Rotten Northside!!


Exactly what extremes SSS. People have their opinions, and they will be hard to change. Just because people hold up a Murphy Out flag and so on doesnt mean that they are extremists!!!

[Éanna]

Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.

Maybe people wouldn´t dislike the guy so much if he hadn´t insulted fans. I was against the guy on the basis of his (lack of) ability to begin with, but after being told that "I knew nothing about football" and that my support for a change in management was because i had been brainwashed by the Echo, I feel perfectly entitled to be (more than) a bit annoyed with LM.

[SSS]

Originally posted by Gone Away
Blame him for flooding the Northside. I think if it is dfown to him he should be given the freedom of the City.

Rotten Northside!!


Exactly what extremes SSS. People have their opinions, and they will be hard to change. Just because people hold up a Murphy Out flag and so on doesnt mean that they are extremists!!!

Just to top it all off lads, I'm a Norrie.....


The extremes I refer to are a complete refusal to give any credence to any occurrence that may in some manner have strengthened LM's position when the events of the last few days clearly have.


How can it be seen to be damaging the club...As far as the wider audience is concerned CCFC is a club in the top 3 of the league, fighting against a couple of fulltime squads with a manager who has received very public support from players and board alike. This is the club that went six or seven home games in a row last season without scoring. Of course the fact that most peole don't see the away performances doesn't help.

[Éanna]

Originally posted by SSS
How can it be seen to be damaging the club...As far as the wider audience is concerned CCFC is a club in the top 3 of the league, fighting against a couple of fulltime squads with a manager who has received very public support from players and board alike. This is the club that went six or seven home games in a row last season without scoring. Of course the fact that most peole don't see the away performances doesn't help.

so what you´re basically saying is that, because most people don´t see away games, we shouldn´t talk about them, and should just concentrate on the "positives" of our home form

[SSS]

Originally posted by Éanna
so what you´re basically saying is that, because most people don´t see away games, we shouldn´t talk about them, and should just concentrate on the "positives" of our home form

"You are wrong" to quote a once great poster.

What I am saying is that the away performances are not a factor in most peoples view of LM because they haven't seen the games and can only judge the team on the home form which is multiples better than last season.

BTW, if Murray's goal against Derry was not wrongly disallowed & Devine stayed on his line against UCD, City would have another three points and be clear second behind a tema who no-one can seem to catch.
It's a thin line...