Dermot Ahern's comments on an all Ireland side

[Not Brazil]

Just wanted to give my genuine belief on why and when the term "beggar" came into the vocabulary of many Northern Ireland fans.

As I understand it, it dates to the Charlton era when the ROI utilised eligibility rules to their great advantage.

Even tho Northern Ireland have since used these rules regularly themselves, the term has stuck.

It might be a hypocritical term and it was probably born out of a jealousy factor of our neighbours during Charlton's remarkable reign.

I do not believe that is used with any more malice than many other terms for rivals - and I accept that many ROI fans do not consider Northern Ireland "big" rivals.

[lopez]

Not "incensed"...

'...how dare you make such an accusation against someone you've never met?' Yeah right! I haven't managed to p*ss someone off so much since the British Mercenary 'Tony Cascarino' f*cked out five posts in a hour to me after I insulted his former boss General Ante Govotina.

The rest of your post made so little sense it hardly deserves a response. Tip from the top though, never post when you've been at the sauce. But then senseless posts seem to be your speciality (Who can ever forget the suggestion of singing British Army songs at an Ireland game?) I'll try one last time.

If you don't like being called a bigot then don't use sectarian terms. Yeah it's all a football thing, blah, blah, blah, but as you are so keen to point out being 'Irish born etc/brought up amongst bigotry/you'll never know what a terrible life we had reading books or watching TV' you should be the first to realise the sensitivity of the subject. And BTW, who gets to judge who should and shouldn't be offended? You and Bernard Manning or the people the insults are directed at?

[EalingGreen]

Yeah right! I haven't managed to p*ss someone off so much since the British Mercenary 'Tony Cascarino' f*cked out five posts in a hour to me after I insulted his former boss General Ante Govotina.

I don't understand any of the above, nor do I wish to. It makes absolutely no contribution to a debate over a single Irish team.

The rest of your post made so little sense it hardly deserves a response. Tip from the top though, never post when you've been at the sauce. But then senseless posts seem to be your speciality (Who can ever forget the suggestion of singing British Army songs at an Ireland game?)

It wasn't a suggestion, it was an analogy (with your defence of singing political/IRA songs at ROI matches); once again, you misrepresent me.

I'll try one last time. If you don't like being called a bigot then don't use sectarian terms.

If I use sectarian terms, then I will accept being labelled a "bigot". So far, all you've managed to come up with is my occasional lighthearted use of the term "Beggar". I'll allow others to judge whether that is "sectarian", especially when set against my other posts on the subject (which you consistently ignore).

As for your contributions, however, these consistently fail to address any substantive issues. Instead, you just snipe from the sidelines in an attempt to "score points" and when challenged specifically on your sniping, your only response is a degeneration into gratuitous personal insults, couched in a style which you may consider to be characterful and witty, but instead comes across as pure horlicks. (Cascarino, Govotina etc).

Anyway, for the benefit of other readers, I'll point out (again) that if a single team is ever to have any hope of succeeding, it will only ever come about following a genuine meeting of minds of both NI and ROI supporters. As such, this thread has produced an interesting debate from the likes of Wolfie, Dr. Peepee, GSpain etc, and even those such as Co.DownGreen and Paddy Garcia, with whom NI fans like myself would disagree strongly.

However, whilst there are people like you proposing such an idea from the South (or should that be "East"?), then I can promise you that no NI fan will ever have the slightest interest; after all, we've enough headcases in our own support to deal with, without having to import some more from abroad.



P.S. Figured out that map, yet? You know, "nearest rivals" and all that...

[lopez]

...So far, all you've managed to come up with is my occasional lighthearted use of the term "Beggar"...

Still don't geddit?

...As for your contributions... [etc. ad nauseum]

YAWN!!

[Wolfie]

Will there be any resolution to this "Footballing Logjam" !!!!!!!!!

Maybe Roy Keane and Norman Whiteside could mediate!!

[EalingGreen]

Will there be any resolution to this "Footballing Logjam" !!!!!!!!!

Maybe Roy Keane and Norman Whiteside could mediate!!

My money's on Stormin Norman to put Keane down before the third round's over. (or should that be "third round's drunk"?)

[galwayhoop]

Re. your Bernard Manning line, quote me one example where I posted something racist or offensive, then tried to pretend I was joking, or that it wasn't serious, or that the butt of the joke should just put up with it, for the sake of pleasing me, rather than himself. Just one.

don't know if it is classed as bigotry but i took offense to this line you wrote earlier in the thread

"......when you wee mexicans are going through a bad patch. "

[lopez]

don't know if it is classed as bigotry but i took offense to this line you wrote earlier in the thread

"......when you wee mexicans are going through a bad patch. "

Mexicans? South of the border, down me-hee-co way. 'Out in the North Louth town of Dundalk/I fell in love with a Mexican girl/Nighttime would find me in Rosa's cantina /Music would play and Feleena would whirl.' Geddit? Very funny mans ees our Heeeling Green.

[Not Brazil]

don't know if it is classed as bigotry but i took offense to this line you wrote earlier in the thread

"......when you wee mexicans are going through a bad patch. "

Why?

[Jamjar]

Why?

Maybe he's a big mexican

[galwayhoop]

Why?

what does a wee mexican have to do with the ROI

[Not Brazil]

what does a wee mexican have to do with the ROI

Lopez's post might explain it to you.

It may or may not be funny, but it's hardly the stuff to get offended by.

That would be akin to suggesting that people should be offended by the term "hun" - of which I'm sure you're familiar.

[EalingGreen]

what does a wee mexican have to do with the ROI

Bloody Hell! Do I have to explain everything to you lot?

"Mexicans" is a term of endearment employed by "Nordies" to refer to their Southern cousins. I've always presumed that it comes from the Lyric of (South of the Border) "Down Mexico Way" - coincidentally written by Ulsterman Jimmy Kennedy.

I've heard Southerners use the term in reference to themselves. It has a particular relevance to Lionel Ritchie (to whose post I was replying when I used it)

No doubt, though, this along with my use of the term "Beggar" is conclusive proof of my "bigotry" to the likes of Lopez - the self-same Oirishman who defends the singing of IRA songs at ROI football matches...

[cheifo]

Maybe he's a big mexican

This debate proves there never will be a united Ireland soccer team.Itsnever going to happen, lets move on.

[RedMick]

This debate proves there never will be a united Ireland soccer team.Itsnever going to happen, lets move on.

Six pages of sh ite, could have been saved if someone had said this at the start

PS There's never going to be a United Ireland either!! (Dons tin hat)

[Wolfie]

This debate proves there never will be a united Ireland soccer team.Itsnever going to happen, lets move on.

Yep. I think I said as much on page 2.

On the more important issue - I still reckon Keane to beat Whiteside - no contest!!

[galwayhoop]

Lopez's post might explain it to you.

It may or may not be funny, but it's hardly the stuff to get offended by.

That would be akin to suggesting that people should be offended by the term "hun" - of which I'm sure you're familiar.

so if i made the following statement on OWC it would not offend anyone:

the raising of a single Irish team came well before ye huns up north started to go through a relatively decent patch.

[lopez]

...No doubt, though, this along with my use of the term "Beggar" is conclusive proof of my "bigotry" to the likes of Lopez - the self-same Oirishman who defends the singing of IRA songs at ROI football matches...

No more 'conclusive proof' is required.

BTW, thanks to the 'boys of the old brigade' I am able to watch a team that plays something other than some sh*te about a German woman as its national anthem, and that my country's flag is more representative than some rampant toff's coat of arms related to some w*nkers' club, hidden at the back of two other countries' flags. True, they only managed to get what? 80% of the country, but if you've ever read of British history of the time (I doubt you read anything more exerting than the Daily Sport) it was an superb acheivement getting that. Basically, to paraphrase a ditty another of your 'nearest rivals' would sing (ones that you have played a hell of lot more than us, and have managed to get matches switched to neutral venues more successfully than the FAI) : 'If it weren't for them [the boys], we'd be Brits.' I'll devote a special rendition to you next week in San Marino.

[Not Brazil]

so if i made the following statement on OWC it would not offend anyone:

the raising of a single Irish team came well before ye huns up north started to go through a relatively decent patch.

Would it offend you?

[lopez]

...That would be akin to suggesting that people should be offended by the term "hun" - of which I'm sure you're familiar.

I never understand that one. Huns? Where's that one come from? Surely, it should be the other way around. When EG's pop pickers were top of the charts, wasn't Roger Casement hanging out with the 'Huns?'