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    Post Ireland V Italia, Rome 1990

    Just recieved this on email, so not too sure of authenticity, but given the amount of hours spent on the "how Irish are English born players" this may be quite amusing!

    "JUST when you think you've heard all the great Irish
    football stories, along comes one that goes straight
    into the top ten.

    Niall Quinn told it at a recent fundraising dinner for
    the Retired International Players' Fund in Dublin and,
    if the uproarious reaction on the night is anything to
    go by, this is a yarn that, despite much stiff
    opposition, could yet go all the way to Number 1.

    The setting was the Irish dressing room in Rome in the
    immediate aftermath of the 1-0 defeat to hosts Italy,
    in the quarter-final of the 1990 World Cup. Contrary to
    the popular myth of the team of that era as the
    happy-go-lucky Irish, determined to have a party come
    what may, the post-match scene as described by Quinn
    was one of emotional devastation.

    Convinced they might have nicked a game which would
    have put them just 90 minutes away from - gulp! - the
    World Cup Final, the players sat slumped, completely
    deflated, some with their heads in their hands, others
    hooded in towels, the tomb-like silence broken only by
    the sound of the odd boot thudding against a wall, as a
    weary foot shook it off.

    Suddenly, the door to the dressing room burst open and
    a man in an elegant suit entered in good cheer and loud
    voice. Arms aloft he launched into a stirring speech
    about the warrior sons of Erin, the brave performance
    of the team, the honour they had brought to their
    country, and much more in that vein. This was Charles J
    Haughey in full oratorical flight.

    After he'd gone on like this for a couple of minutes,
    Quinn was nudged in the ribs by Tony Cascarino, who
    rather loudly inquired: "Oo the fack is 'e, then?"
    Quinn growled back a whispered, "For God's sake Cas,
    that's the Taoiseach." Whereupon, Andy Townsend turned
    to Cascarino and asked:"Oo is it, Cas?" "I dunno,"
    Cascarino replied, "but Quinny says he owns a tea
    shop."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colm55
    Townsend turned
    to Cascarino and asked:"Oo is it, Cas?" "I dunno,"
    Cascarino replied, "but Quinny says he owns a tea
    shop."
    Brilliant. On this evidence, expecting any of them to sing the national anthem is completely out of the question.

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    That's out of Mary Hannigan's section of the Irish Times. I actually have the quote's as a sig on another forum, I tried to use it as a sig here but it was too long.

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    It reminds me of another Ireland story, maybe true, maybe apocryphal, of Terry Mancini, Arsenal and Ireland defender, turning to Joe Kinnear after Amhran na bhFiann and saying "fackin' 'ell, I 'ope ours ain't that long."

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    If i'd been sitting in that dressing room when he came in all smiles and cheers,
    I'd have chinned him.
    Its crazy to see people be what society wants them to be but not me.

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    i could never understand singing our Anthem in english, I cringe when Celtic fans do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy
    i could never understand singing our Anthem in english, I cringe when Celtic fans do it
    Never heard Celtic fans do it. BTW, there's probably Scottish Celts that know the Irish words to our national anthem then Irish people. The Turks were an awful lot louder than us in Lansdowne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eirebhoy
    there's probably Scottish Celts that know the Irish words to our national anthem then Irish people. The Turks were an awful lot louder than us in Lansdowne.
    Yes I would not disagree with either point

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    Never noticed that Dav. I heard the anthem being sang at the Old Firm match last week, bit too difficult to make out what language it was in though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davros
    seeing as these ignorant people took our language away from many of us!
    Who's stopping ye talkin' Wurzel, then?
    They're red, they're black
    The hatchetmen are back.

    We'll support you evermore
    Though you never score...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eirebhoy
    Never heard Celtic fans do it. BTW, there's probably Scottish Celts that know the Irish words to our national anthem then Irish people. The Turks were an awful lot louder than us in Lansdowne.
    In fairness Irish and Scots Gallic are different languages. Have you ever read Scots Gallic? They came from the same thing but most Scots Gallic speakers wouldn't understand a lot of simple Irish nevermind be able to sing the national anthem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy
    i could never understand singing our Anthem in english, I cringe when Celtic fans do it
    Me too I got a Celtic Greatest hits album for christmas and the national anthem is on it in ENGLISH... Its a disgrace..
    I was disgusted, it's bad enough that most of the population cannot string two words of Irish together..
    Its the IRISH national Anthem ao it should be in IRISH no other language...

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    Like I'm gonna sing about Fianna Fail or soldiers coming from over the seas to fight for Ireland.

    It's time the anthem was changed, it's not 1916 anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brine3
    Like I'm gonna sing about Fianna Fail or soldiers coming from over the seas to fight for Ireland.

    It's time the anthem was changed, it's not 1916 anymore.
    Well its my understanding the words of the anthem have nothing to do with the political party. I do agree with you though that the words could be updated but is this not true of most anthem which were written in a more jingoistic age.
    As long as Phil Coulter has nothing to do with it

    We could definitely do without hearing "send her victorious"
    Last edited by Cowboy; 20/01/2005 at 10:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
    A nation that forgets its past forgets itself. Why the hell should we change the National Anthem? Get the words, learn the words and sing it with pride.
    I couldn't believe Paris when a lot of the people around me just stood up and stared into space when it come to the National Anthems.
    If some of these liberal nouveau Irish get their way (Dublin 4 dwellers, to everyone else) we will very soon have a National Anthem in English composed by Ronan Keating or the like.
    Hear Hear ! ! ! !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
    A nation that forgets its past forgets itself. Why the hell should we change the National Anthem? Get the words, learn the words and sing it with pride.
    I couldn't believe Paris when a lot of the people around me just stood up and stared into space when it come to the National Anthems.
    If some of these liberal nouveau Irish get their way (Dublin 4 dwellers, to everyone else) we will very soon have a National Anthem in English composed by Ronan Keating or the like.
    Paranoid nonsense. When the fcuk are we going to get past this 'the anglos lie over the hill' crapology? I really like the air of the anthem but I'm sick to fcuk of this country being defined around a conflict with our next door neighbour ...and the lyrics of the anthem do just that.

    We'd be kicking up a stink if GSTQ or any other anthem had references to us in it.
    " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
    I couldn't believe Paris when a lot of the people around me just stood up and stared into space when it come to the National Anthems.
    Yeah it seems some people are losing respect for anthems not just our own e.g guys talking during the anthems, coming in late and trying to sqeeze past while its playing (this really bugs me) etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
    Paranoid nonsense. When the fcuk are we going to get past this 'the anglos lie over the hill' crapology? I really like the air of the anthem but I'm sick to fcuk of this country being defined around a conflict with our next door neighbour ...and the lyrics of the anthem do just that.

    We'd be kicking up a stink if GSTQ or any other anthem had references to us in it.
    sure as hell is better than Irelands call though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy
    sure as hell is better than Irelands call though
    Dunno, I quite like Irelands Call.

    Have to admit I don't know all the words to our anthem in English nevermind Irish

    Reading this thread has shamed me into learning it fully immediately

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    I think we should leave the national anthem as it is . As far as I know it has been there since the foundation of the state and I dont believe you should ever change your national anthem just for the sake of it. It should be sung in Irish at game with all the gutso we can give it. Nearly every anthem in the world refers to the winning of some battle and very few of them are politically correct as they were not written at a time when PC was the cultural Ideology of the day. GSTQ has the lyrics of "Rebellious Scots to Crush" and this is the Anthem of the Unitied Kingdom of which Scotland is a part of and yet that has not been changed. I dont see any need for it to be changed or to be sung in English or anything. Before anyone jumps down my back. I am not an IRA Sympathiser or Sinn Fein voter or Celtic fan just someone that thinks that a country should keep some of its traditions. I dont hate England either I just like to see them defeated at things like football and War.

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