Racism/SBB row

[paul_oshea]

I decided to open up a new thread, because related to the Celebrity Big Brother, I have somewhat become confused by racism, discrimination, etnic discrimination and culture discrimination. I beleive there must be cross-overs between all, because racism as I saw it, used to be at least, maybe I'm wrong, but about skin colour when you get to the bottom of it.

In relation to CBB, I did watch it, as they are making a big issue of it over here, but I have to say I didnt feel there was a whole lot of racism, there was however plenty of cultural discrimination.

Finally, not completely related, but even in terms of discrimination, I beleive along with those I watched it with the last 2 nights, that jade had a very reasonable arguement, unfortunately due to her background/education/upbringing she put it across in a racist way ( her father was mixed race, so to be calling her racist is somewhat wrong ). Shilpa, in our opinion, has airs and graces about her, which jade was trying to get across, and that there are plenty of people in india, that are quite common, who she needs to realise are her fans and should sympathise with. I think there are more forceful ppl in the show than others, and this has stemmed some sort of bullying, but I beleive the PC racist police have blown this all out of proportion.

[wws]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=racism

[osarusan]

( her father was mixed race, so to be calling her racist is somewhat wrong ).

I dont think this automatically means you can't be racist.

[gustavo]

her father was mixed race, so to be calling her racist is somewhat wrong )..

Thats a stupid thing to say
Does that mean you think only white people can be racist?

[anto1208]

Thats a stupid thing to say
Does that mean you think only white people can be racist?

This is the point i was making in the other thread no one cared about Shilpa slagging off Jade and her back ground, yet Jade slagging Shilpa's is racist ???

Look at last year when Gallaway , pete Burns and barrymore bullied Jodie Marsh no one really cared , Why was this because its ok to pick on a white girl ?

[Drumcondra Red]

Well it is racism of sorts, maybe not blatent, but it is definiately bbullying and I'm glad Jade has finally been shown up for what she really is!

[paul_oshea]

ya it is bullying DRed, but I think people are trying to label it as something somewhat different in my eyes. Therefore I think what we beleive to be racism, or as the general public perceive it to be over here, is therefore different to what is defined.

I honestly think its bullying thats all, mainly because jade is forceful, and shilpa is going round as miss goody two shoes. Her point is valid, how she constructs it and puts it across is the problem in my opinion, which is what everyone seems to be missing.

To further anto1208's point I beleive its a form of positive discrimination almost, because british asians are still seen as ethnic minorities ( and different skin colour )over here, peoples belief/views are getting clouded.

Sorry I wasn't saying because she was of mixed race she isn't racist. That wasn't very clear!

[pete]

Isn't there already a thread on this?

Pathetic ratings ploy by Ch4. Who really cares anyway & why is this programme still on - i thought the "celebrity" ones were supposed to be shorter...

[lopez]

I'm lost. What's this about her being mixed race? Is she half traveller?

An interesting letter appeared in the (London) Evening Standard yesterday in which a (anonymous) letter writer pointed to a conversation between Jermaine Jackson and Shilpa in which Jackson said of the Goodys: 'They are not like us. We are of colour. They are white trash.' Nice!!!!

Speaking of the Standard, the mixed-race apologists reminded me of the infamous cartoon in late 1982 by Raymond Allen 'Jak' Jackson which pictured an advertising hoarding of a spoof 'snuff' movie with the words 'Coming soon. The ultimate in psychopathic horror. The Irish!' The GLC withdrew advertising in The Standard, but the most interesting thing was that Jackson's own mother was Irish. Sort of quashes the argument that you can't be racist to people you are of the same blood.

[Jerry The Saint]

Why is Sean Bán Breathnach being dragged into this whole sorry mess An bhfuil sé raciúlach?

[Raheny Red]

I'm glad Jade has finally been shown up for what she really is!

What, a racist?

[gustavo]

I dont think she's racist , actually is just a thick , ignorant , vindictive , attention seeking , vain bully

[anto1208]

I dont think she actually is just a thick , ignorant , vindictive , attention seeking , vain bully

She is just being a woman

[anto1208]

The saddest thing about all this was now seeing Gordan Brown telling people to back Shilpa !!!

[jebus]

Back to the BNP with you so Anto, I've posted this in the original CBB thread, but here it is again,

Danielle has said, 'She (shilpa) is bleaching her skin because she wants to be white

Jo has said, 'Thats why all Indian's are thin, because they eat undercooked food'

Jackiey has said 'That Indian gets on my nerves', whilst repeatedly referring to her as the Indian and not by her name

Jade has called her Shilpa Poppadom, amongst other things. Would you like to be called Anto Potatoe because you're Irish and have it said in a spiteful way?


Danielle's comment in particular is one of the more racist things I've heard in a long while

[wws]

an "anto potatoe"?

sounds like some mutant strain of genetically modified spudz

[Hoofer]

The whole world will be getting sucked into the big brother house antics. sad or what?

[John83]

an "anto potatoe"?

sounds like some mutant strain of genetically modified spudz

I'm horrified that you can say something like that.

Taking the name of a perfectly good vegetable and calling it a derogatory term like 'anto' is disgraceful. I'll be petitioning Dahamsta to remove this thread from the public eye. Publishing stuff like this is offensive and should be dealt with using the taste and decency laws.

[Reggie]

Nobody else notice the thread name. SBB is it not CBB

[dfx-]

Firstly, I think it's largely bullying rather than racism of the momentary bits I've seen - I stand to be corrected.

However the reaction to it is quite funny in my opinion. Particularly the 'effigies' with their drawn-on faces on Sky News yesterday and also with regard to putting dysfunctional people in a room together for weeks for the benefit of a tv company and then complain about the end product.

Since the fourth series where 'normal' people were deemed too boring, the dramatic effect has taken precedence with particular people placed and this is the automatic end result.