Global Warming Debate

[BohsPartisan]

Are you Hyde from the Thats 70 Show

No, he's my father in law.

[dahamsta]

Rofl

[osarusan]

Rofl

I hate to sound stupid, but what does this mean............I know LMAO, NSFW........but rofl?

[dahamsta]

http://www.google.ie/search?q=rofl

[osarusan]

cheers.

[pete]

Ireland.com: UN Climate Panel Report

The UN climate panel issued its strongest warning yet today that human activities are heating the planet.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the most authoritative group on warming, comprising 2,500 scientists from more than 130 nations, predicted more severe rains, melting glaciers, droughts, heatwaves and rising sea levels, especially if Antarctica or Greenland thaw.

The final text said it was "very likely", or a probability of more than 90 per cent, that human activities led by burning fossil fuels explained most of the warming in the past 50 years.

That is a toughening from the last report, in 2001, when the IPCC said the link was "likely", or 66 per cent probable. Signs of change range from drought in Australia to record high January temperatures in Europe.

Hardly brings anything new to the debate as just summaries other reports...

[BohsPartisan]

I know, all these "revelations" they are coming out with are things the dogs in the street knew about 15 years ago.

[kingdom hoop]

I know, all these "revelations" they are coming out with are things the dogs in the street knew about 15 years ago.

ya, we could do with some sun editor in there to sensationalise something that is actually worthy of bringing to the attention to the masses(compare to big brother,argh ) i'd like to see a survey done asking people what they knew about global warming, i bet they'd no more about jade goody's early teenage years spent on a pig farm in deepest devon

by the way i read that socialist manifesto on the environment. i'd agree with a lot of it, its pretty comprehensive and given its four years old the current situation is shown up even more. but do you realistically think a united socialist front can sweep the world soon enough to solve the problem? if mankind can live a happy life under socialism could we not also bind under capitalism and evoke our survival instincts?

[kingdom hoop]

i just stumbled across a funny(in light of the above) story from one of the contributors of earlier reports on hurricanes and their link to global warming. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...1a1380121a&k=0
in short the man says that there was a press release saying that there was a causal link between global warming and hurricanes before any scientists concluded or advised on the issue, so he resigned his position on the study. todays report is the first one without him. hurricanes are very odd and tend to be cyclical and influenced by a range of factors such that their study doesnt lend itself to conclusive answers. i guess the moral is that scientists hate to be misrepresented, which adds further credence to todays report, and that people in power are willing to adapt and shape the truth for their benefit

[pete]

carbon emissions per capita

Some very surprising figures & Ireland highest of Western Europe countries with Denmark (you would think they a Green country) just behind us. As those figures a few years out of date we will definitely be higher up the list now.

Ireland is addicated to fossil fuels so maybe time for the nuclear debate again.

[theleprechaun]

i think that all this hype should serve to make politicans take more responsibity especially america. with america not in the kyoto protcol it is really only a joke. it will not work unless we all change. and we need to change

[pete]

Surely a partial solution is to plant a lot more trees. Scandanavian countries probably have lower Net figures as their land mass covered in trees. Ireland has very few trees left.

[anto1208]

Starting to see the effects all ready i had to cut the grass today

[kingdom hoop]

Surely a partial solution is to plant a lot more trees. Scandanavian countries probably have lower Net figures as their land mass covered in trees. Ireland has very few trees left.

you have a point that our national level of emissions would be improved with more trees. however any gains we make will pale in light of the continuing destruction of the Amazon, a truly harrowing scenario. at current rates of deforestation it will be gone within a hundred years, and with it the wonderful flora and fauna that conjure mystical images of centuries old tribes, carnivorous fish and treetops bustling with chirping chicks inhaling their first sweet scent of forest life. a lot of global warming is a vicious cycle of ironic causes and effects. and here is no different as two thirds of brazil's co2 emissions are a result of the burning and logging of the world's lungs, our mightiest forest

wasnt it the english that burned most of our trees round plantation time, god, irony seems to be following me like a long shadow on a sunny summers day(when you look back at it you've no idea how it got there nor are you pleased to see it, you just know mistakes were made and the missus shoudnt fill you with wine at lunch)

[BohsPartisan]

from unison.ie (indo)

German car-makers weaken new EU green law


GERMAN car manufacturers have succeeded in weakening new pan-European rules designed to reduce emissions from new vehicles.

The heads of BMW, Volkswagen and DaimlerChrysler took part in last-minute lobbying to block proposals that would have forced manufacturers to make lighter cars with smaller, more fuel-efficient engines.

They demanded that Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission, withdraw a proposed new emissions standard, claiming that the German industry, which makes most of its profits from large, fuel-hungry cars, would be penalised unfairly.

Read the rest...

[kingdom hoop]

with the support of angela merkel too, i thought women would have been more sympathetic and in touch with their environmental side, i guess german women are different.

scientists and economists offered money to dispute climate report.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2007/0202/1170363380564.html
shows how bad things are. one line sums it up nicely; "They are White House surrogates in the last throes of their campaign of climate change denial. They lost on the science; they lost on the moral case for action. All they've got left is a suitcase full of cash."

[kingdom hoop]

Surely a partial solution is to plant a lot more trees. Scandanavian countries probably have lower Net figures as their land mass covered in trees. Ireland has very few trees left.

hmmm, looks like you may have hit the nail on the head, or tree with the saw. check thishttp://www.economist.com/daily/columns/greenview/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8653021&fsrc=RSS
it out. the piece contains one brilliant quote from a fund manager; "Even with 25 years of civil war,trees grow."

[BohsPartisan]

EPA finds surge in levels of greenhouse emissions
Liam Reid, Political Reporter

Greenhouse gas emission levels in Ireland have risen steeply for the first time in four years, a report to be published next week will show.

The records, to be released by the Environmental Protection Agency, are expected to reveal that greenhouse gas emissions have surged by more than one million tonnes, to a figure in the region of 70 million tonnes a year.

The rise, believed to be close to 2 per cent, is expected to be the largest since 2001, and will leave Ireland with one of the highest rates of emissions per head of population in the world.

It will see emissions levels at over 25 per cent above 1990 levels, 12 percentage points higher than the Kyoto target.

Read the rest

[pete]

If we grew more trees in Ireland could build more timber frame hosues which are more environmentally sound as well as reducing timber imports. More supply means timber prices would drop too so cheaper houses.

[BohsPartisan]

The big problem is still Carbon emissions. That means in addition to planting trees we need to investigate alternative fuel sources and fast.