Shels could lose European place

**OneRedArmy** · 08/01/2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by pete

On what basis would Shels be denied a Uefa Licence? If its for financial reasons then surely they would also be denied a League licence? AFAIK Uefa licence just adds on issues such as infrastructure i.e. suitable ground to play Uefa competition...?

Shels circumstances have obviously taken a turn for the worse since the assessment was undertaken for the 2007 League license.

I would imagine its unlikely they would get it if required to present updated financials and legal info, as they may have to for the UEFA license.

Eg not sure when their financial year end is but as an example, if it was 31 December and UEFA requested audited accounts for y/e 2006, I'm sure they would look a pretty picture! This info would obviously not have been available for the 2007 league licensing body.

Also, if cash is that short, you could well be into a situation where creditors will withdraw facilities, so no programme, security, floodlighting etc.

**Poor Student** · 08/01/2007, 1:00 PM

Shels could be in for a minor windfall that might help them edge past this particular crisis. Apparently they've managed to sell Dillon to Dundee United for �15k and they're seeking a cut of Stokes �2.7m transfer to Sunderland.

**wws** · 08/01/2007, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Shels could be in for a minor windfall that might help them edge past this particular crisis. Apparently they've managed to sell Dillon to Dundee United for �15k and they're seeking a cut of Stokes �2.7m transfer to Sunderland.

fifteen grand!!!?!??!?!

fecks sake thats peanuts!

**Poor Student** · 08/01/2007, 1:06 PM

It averts losing him for nothing and averts a successful test case which could lead others leaving. Thw �15k could also be used to temporarily pay the wages of the remaining few players.

**OneRedArmy** · 08/01/2007, 1:23 PM

Its a shame that Dundee couldn't wait and fight the legal battle (they obviously decided to pay a nominal sum and have Dillon available immediately).

PS, I'd say it only delays the test case happening. Dundee paying certainly shouldn't be read as Shels still owning their players contracts.

**Tenderloins** · 08/01/2007, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Its a shame that Dundee couldn't wait and fight the legal battle (they obviously decided to pay a nominal sum and have Dillon available immediately).

PS, I'd say it only delays the test case happening. Dundee paying certainly shouldn't be read as Shels still owning their players contracts.

God knows Legal bills could top 15k fairly quick if the case dragged on. Also What odds on the case being heard during the Transfer Window ?

**drummerboy** · 08/01/2007, 1:46 PM

If Shels are entitled to a cut in Stokes transfer fee, then so are Cherry Orchard whom he played for before his father took the whole team to Shels.

**OneRedArmy** · 08/01/2007, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tenderloins

God knows Legal bills could top 15k fairly quick if the case dragged on. Also What odds on the case being heard during the Transfer Window ?

Exactly. Dundee wanted him available so they paid up.

Ollie's brass neck pays again.

**dcfcsteve** · 08/01/2007, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Ollie's brass neck pays again.

But only in the short-term.

The game is now up for Oliver Byrne. Despite appearing to really want to stay (e.g. turning down the Bohs job) he lost the most successful manager in the league this millenium, and can't find anyone to take his place. I've no doubt any new Manager he does get will also struggle to secure players of any vague quality either. Why the hell would any player sign for Shels if they have any other half-decent alternative options ?

'Come in Ollie Byrne, your time is (long) up.....!'

**Tenderloins** · 08/01/2007, 1:55 PM

So at a time (post Kevin Doyle/Shane Long transfer) when EL clubs are looking for realistic transfer fees, Shels may well be having a fire sale?

**RonnieB** · 08/01/2007, 2:00 PM

Wonder if the sale of Dillon will allow the outstanding amount that is apparently owed to Longford for him be paid.

**soccerc** · 08/01/2007, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by drummerboy

If Shels are entitled to a cut in Stokes transfer fee, then so are Cherry Orchard whom he played for before his father took the whole team to Shels.

Didn't he play for Esker Celtic too?

**wws** · 08/01/2007, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieB

Wonder if the sale of Dillon will allow the outstanding amount that is apparently owed to Longford for him be paid.

might stop them haemorraging players

the Irish off-season really does throw a light on the farce behind the thin veneer of Delaneys PR guff about progress

financially its worse than ever - and getting worserererer

**Poor Student** · 08/01/2007, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Exactly. Dundee wanted him available so they paid up.

Ollie's brass neck pays again.

It's Dundee United not Dundee.

**passerrby** · 08/01/2007, 6:37 PM

they have no grounds for claim on stokes move ,just sending a begging letter i believe

**Mr A** · 08/01/2007, 6:54 PM

they have no grounds for claim on stokes move ,just sending a begging letter i believe

Did Stokes every play for Shels youth teams? If so they'd be due 0.5% of the fee for each year he was there. I think the rule is that 5% of each fee goes to the clubs a player was at from age 12-22, split according to the length of time at each club. Am not sure how it works in the case that the player is younger, but if he spent time at Shels they're probably due a few quid.

**oriel** · 08/01/2007, 9:51 PM

Shels are surely running the risk of being the weakest ever irish team in europe (for league champions)

only similar comparisons is our old 'friends' from Drogs, who lost 0-6 + 0-8 to Spurs in 83 in uefa cup (2 years after we lost to them 1-2 on agg)

but to be fair drogs lost their ENTIRE team during the summer (who came 2nd that prev season)

**pineapple stu** · 08/01/2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Secondly, foot.ie posters and soccer fans in general don't react well to other club fans preaching to them. I have seen perfectly sensible people who know plenty of the workings in shels post insanely on here just to not have to listen to a Bohs fan or a UCD fan tell them about their own club.

A large part of the problem a lot of people have with Shels fans (not necessarily you, who do at least to be one of your more rational Shels fans, legal threats over screen grabbing of unfortunate typos aside!

) is that Shels fans were perfectly happy to rub everyone's noses in their success, even though it was pointed out to them that this sort of scenario was utterly inevitable (and we're talking since the first winding up order, when it was quite clear that Shels were screwed). We have people, for example, slagging UCD for sticking to a budget, saying that we were unambitious. We have people saying that nothing was going to happen and that Ollie would sort everything, even though it was clear that wasn't going to happen. We have people refuting arguments by comparing number of league titles won in the past couple of years or by saying that everyone hates a successful club. It's this sort of pig ignorance which has irritated quite a lot of people - not just refusing to even engage in discourse about Shels' problems, but actually having the gall to say that other clubs were badly run or holding the league back or were jealous of Shels. The utter ingraciousness in your fleeting success has made people quite happy for you now to lie in the beds you have made.

The sooner Shels fans accept that, the sooner we can get back to being a happy family again.

**Gareth** · 08/01/2007, 11:36 PM

Pineapple Stu, its kinda funny, because as an individual I firmly believe and try to follow the idea that you work within your means and build on a solid base, gradually if needs be, knowing your limits and boundaries, and not taking excessive risk to put the very core of your business in danger. By doing this, you gain not only solid sturdy progress, but like many UCD fans are doing, gaining a moral highground on which you can then point and say that others are foolhardy. I do not equate spending wildly as a benchmark for ambition, nor do I believe that an answer to a question should come in the form of "we have x amount of titles more than you, so back in your box". Its pretty useless in a debate and generally if I was to see that kind of response, I'd accept I was dealing with a tool. Regarding Eircom League football,

I fully understand the spite people have for Shels, because of the ways things have been done over the years, but I would ask to consider the many decent normal fans who feel gutted, and wish that they did have the power to change things. My belief for the league to progress is about working together with other clubs, without the petty bickering you would expect from fans. If we want to be treated as professional, you have to act it, and just because I am a shels fan does not mean I conduct my business the way the club I support does, and likewise many Shels fans.

I praise clubs who are getting the management side sorted. I'd love to be able to do that for the club I support.

**Student Mullet** · 09/01/2007, 3:40 AM

Originally Posted by Gareth

If we want to be treated as professional, you have to act it, and just because I am a shels fan does not mean I conduct my business the way the club I support does, and likewise many Shels fans.

I praise clubs who are getting the management side sorted. I'd love to be able to do that for the club I support.

Top marks to Gareth. A top fan and hopefully him and his ilk will keep Shels on the go.

But please, Gareth and Pineapple, use paragraphs.