QuoteNever had any problems with him, unlike some other managers.
Someone else told me that too. I've never met him person to person but you can't deny the upturn in our fortunes during his three and a half year tenure.Originally Posted by joeSoap
Never had any problems with him, unlike some other managers.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Ditto. Always a sound person to have a talk with, and unlike others, generally tends to keep to himself and not go spouting in the media. Even during Doolin-gate, which is about the only time he actually had negative things to say about someone, he was almost embarrassed afterwards, and was asking me at one stage just to confirm that he actually was right in what he was saying (which, of course, he was).
It's in the Mirror today that he's likely to take the job if Ollie can convince him that the financial problems of this year are a thing of the past. I really don't see how he can do so, to be honest, especially given Ollie's track records of promising things. It also says that the fact Shels will be a full time outfit next year - with a budget down from E1.9m to E900k - will be a major factor. However, Ollie's gone public saying that the team will likely be part-time next year, and you'd be doing well to get full-time players to sign on after the debacle of last year. I'm more confused than ever now!
Pre-season training begins on Monday, so I think we can assume at this stage that all our contracts are sorted out and anyone leaving now would command a fee.
As a replacement (if needed) - Bobby Browne? Seems to want to get back into the league, took Monaghan up on a small budget while playing decent football apparently and is currently with Malahide United, so would have a bit of knowledge about the non-league scene.
It worked with Mahon. I'd prefer a specific knowledge of the underage scene as opposed to the non-league scene. Mahon's only two recruits from non-league were Kavanagh and Whitmarsh if I recall correctly. I wonder if Wallace would hang around or move on if Mahon went.
The 'Irish' Daily Mail has a piece on this. It quotes Pete as saying he has another meeting with Shels and has given them a list of stuff that'd need to be done before he'll move. As an alternative, he's been offered a stepped up version of Maccer's job on a full time basis by UCD.
Does the stuff sound realistic?
Is this where our E10k from the FAI is going?
Has a raise and a switch to full-time been his aim all along?
Edit - in hindsight, I assume the "stuff" wasn't listed of course...
The other two questions are obvioulsy rhetorical.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 12/01/2007 at 5:07 PM.
It would be a smart play to do that.
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What does that mean exactly?
So has be been offered a move "upstairs" as it were? Or is this something to supplement his managerial role?
I presume in addition to his management job. Doc O'Neill's old job is what I'm thinking.
Did the Mail give any indication as to which option he'd be likely to take?
I'm working from memory and the quote wasn't very long. He basically said:
I met with Shelbourne and informed the UCD directors because that's how I do business, I won't go behind anyone's back. I told Shelbourne that certain conditions will have to be met before I consider the job and I'll be meeting them again soon.
The Daily mail believes that UCD have countered this by offering the full time position of UCD Director of Football to Mahon and have been in negotiations on this for the last few months.
Hmmm, suggests it's not just a counter offer to Shels. Pity this could scupper some sort of club structuring they have in mind.
That's a bit weird to me. I mean it's wise enough but I wouldn't trust Ollie even if he promised to meet those conditions. I'm assuming he'd be looking for some very concrete guarantees and you'd wonder if Shels could give them so soon. I don't know how Ollie could actually convince someone of even mild stability. I know he's being diplomatic but he did say he'd only consider even if they were met. He wouldn't be the first person in football to hear what another party has to say out of interest and explore options and stay put. Seems we'll know soon enough.I met with Shelbourne and informed the UCD directors because that's how I do business, I won't go behind anyone's back. I told Shelbourne that certain conditions will have to be met before I consider the job and I'll be meeting them again soon.
If he has been in discussions with UCD for a few months I'd imagine there was some problems somewhere along the way ?
Maybe Pete is being smart and using Ollie to force their hand ?
Then again,, I actually think he will go if Ollie sorts out the mess.
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This is the civil service don't forget. Simple things can sometimes take a while.
I recon so too. He wouldn't be meeting yee again if he wasn't looking for the move.
Like Bald Student I would agree with that. It's also very likely that he will bring a few players with him. The only thing is what can Ollie do to prove that Shelbourne will be financially stable next season? It looks like Pete may have to make a decision based on whatever Ollie says and decide if he trusts him...
I wonder as well if it's a case of Pete trying to get the UCD directors to prove something to him, and using this as a smokescreen?
Even if players haven't signed contracts, most are under 23 and with us two years, so transfer fees will be due regardless, which Shels can't pay.
Tony Mc, Ally Mc...
And Shels could be getting £450k from Cardiff for Byrne...
Last edited by DmanDmythDledge; 13/01/2007 at 10:14 AM.
1) Shelbourne could be facing the following scenario over the next few months. If they do not get their financial affairs in order they won't have ANY of least season's squad left. In March they may be denied permission to participate in Europe by UEFA, which would see the Champions League slot fall to Derry City.
UCD on the other hand may be in the UEFA Cup if they are lucky in the draw for a fair play slot. Advantage UCD
2) Pete might not get paid promptly at Shels under the above scenario. He has never failed to be paid on time at UCD. Advantage UCD.
3) Shels could do a Dublin City and fold in mid-season. Won't happen to UCD. Advantage UCD.
4) Even if everything is in order. Shels will not do well in the League with a weakened squad, mid table at best. Probably go out early in Europe too which means no European football in 2008. UCD are improving year on year and with a weakened Shelbourne UCD might finish in the top five this season if Pete stays. Advantage UCD.
5) Shels may not be entitled to transfer fees for some of their best players who have recently left, as they are owed unpaid wages and therefore became technically free agents. So the money Ollie might have anticipated coming into the coffers, may not now be doing so. Especially in the case of Sean Dillon and Jason Byrne. UCD are entitled to fees for all players tipped to be leaving in recent times bar Patrick Kavanagh who was amateur. Advantage UCD.
P.S.On an unrelated matter and as I am peeed off at getting villified for multiple postings. What happens to Maccer if Pete gets the Director of Football role? Does he become Club Promotions Officer?
Last edited by CollegeTillIDie; 13/01/2007 at 10:22 AM.
Tony Mac's going nowhere.
Cardiff won't pay £450,000 for Jason Byrne if his contract has been infringed, which it clearly has. They'll pay at most a nominal fee like Dillon and Ryan in order to avoid the delay of the case going to court. Even then, Bray get half.
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