How did you start supporting Pats? Not many people start supporting teams in their 20's. I could go to a hundred Pats matches but I don't think I'll ever be a true Pats fan. They're not in my heart and never will be.Originally Posted by Dodge
You are special.
You claim the Eircom League Premier Divsion is drivel, yet you'll happily be watching 'your' national team which, in all possibility, could have at least 5 ex EL players in the next squad (if not the next one, then one after).
People like you are ruining Irish football.
At least Irish Manure supporters can claim to be destroying Irish football.
p.s. When did John O'Shea ever get us to an international competition?
How did you start supporting Pats? Not many people start supporting teams in their 20's. I could go to a hundred Pats matches but I don't think I'll ever be a true Pats fan. They're not in my heart and never will be.
This has to be one of the most idiotic posts every made on this forum in my view and I would not be you like to call an Eircom League Facist or EL nazi. A healthy domestic league can only be good for the international team and it is the job of the FAI to help produce both a healthy league and international team. We cannot rely on English clubs producing players for us and we need good youth structures all around the country both at Junior clubs and Senior clubs.
In Trap we trust
youngirish - I must have told you about 5 times by now to stop posting in such an aggressive style. You can sense anger in many of your posts and it's only going to get the thread locked. If any other person made the post you did I'd say they were trolling so I'm glad Hooperatzi didn't react. You could easily make the points you want to make without riling people up so quit it.
Nice, another reference to ole ole. No barstooler jibe this time?so you accept their is a 'heirarchy' of supporter.
we, as fans who go to games week in week out, are top of the Irish fan pyramid.
you, as someone who goes to national team matches every few months is somewhere in the middle.
corporates are towords the bottom.
anyone who wears leprechaun suits is sub human.
below them again are the type who boo Manure players and refer to Chelski as 'us' and 'we' or wear Murderpool shirts to LR.
glad you are seeing your place in the scheme of things. without us and the professional league our dedication sustains, you have no national side to ole ole at. some of the oirish fans could do to remember that.
Thanks for just reminding me how futile this whole ridiculous argument is. I'm done posting on this one.
B@llocksso you accept their is a 'heirarchy' of supporter.
we, as fans who go to games week in week out, are top of the Irish fan pyramid.
you, as someone who goes to national team matches every few months is somewhere in the middle.
corporates are towords the bottom.
anyone who wears leprechaun suits is sub human.
below them again are the type who boo Manure players and refer to Chelski as 'us' and 'we' or wear Murderpool shirts to LR.
glad you are seeing your place in the scheme of things. without us and the professional league our dedication sustains, you have no national side to ole ole at. some of the oirish fans could do to remember that.
This sort of smug eL ****e is what puts the entire country off the league. What sort of t*sser proclaims himself to be top of some pyramid he has created.
I'm glad to see despite your disdain for English football you have all the nicknames off pat.
On a factual basis, sad as it is there is very little link between success of the national team and that of the league. So in fact without the league the national team would be very similar to what it is now.
Finally, referring to people as subhuman and below subhuman is a bit over the top, isnt it?
Refreshing Cavan.
why?
I would say its things like effort and commitment that puts the entire country off the league..
we arent a country that will ever follow sport on a regular basis. simple as.
whoever pointed out the irony of following teams in england but not being able to feel any affinity to Irish teams cause they werent "local" enough was spot on.
People claiming they follow all the underage teams is a lie as well. these games are rarely attended by many at all. People are coming up with more bizzare excuses everytime...
Puberty is a difficult time for the youth of our country.
Well firstly I like to only respond to the post not the poster. I called your post idiotic.
Secondly as I said in my original post, you could not describe me as an EL Facist. Anybody who has read any of my previous posts could see this. I was trying to come at this from someone who in the last year or so has started to support Bohemians again after years living down the west of Ireland. I know the realties of the game that most of our top players play in England so as a result I do look at English games quite often through the medium of television. However it is imperative for the future of IRish football that we have a healthy youth set up and in addition we have a healthy league. Therefore I think it is madness that you should have such disdain for the LOI. As someone pointed out before people all over the world people attend football matches in their local area, this is the norm. Now I know the reasons why people dont go to LOI games and a lot of that is due the power of television when they were kids and the English game could reach into their hearts and minds when thety were at their most impressionable. If you dont have a parent bringing you to games or you dont have a local side to go to, you are most likely going to support a team you can see on television and then probably along with the national side. This is quite normal in this country to do that. I dont blame anybody for this as I was that soldier living in the far west of Ireland. I do not look down on any supporter like this as I would not describe myself as EL hardcore in any fashion. I just like going to live football. and now that I am an adult and living in Dublin I can do this out of my own freewill.
Finally the problem with this debate so far has been comments like Ole ole brigade and other terms like EL facists. When someone uses insults like that they automatically forfeit the argument in my view.
I agree we have been punching above our weight but do we really want to be at the descretion of the English game as it is at the moment or do we want to take things into our own hads.
Read the book Who stole our game it might do you good.
In Trap we trust
This is where you and your mates have it all wrong. I don't support any English team. I only support Irish players playing in England. These are the players that like it or not are the only ones capable of getting us to the finals of major competitions and this is how it will always remain whether you like it or not due to the reasons I mentioned in the last post.
Ireland with it's lack of large urban centres can't support a top European league. It's not possible.
Last edited by youngirish; 16/01/2007 at 9:36 AM.
My hero.
As a Limerick FC supporter, who has been to hundreds of games over a 15 year period, and played hundreds of games at some of the worst levels.......
I am so very sick of people........
A. saying that being a eL fan makes you a better fan of the Irish national team. (or going so far as to say that without being an eL fan, you cannot be an Irish fan)
B. Saying that players from the eL are being robbed by English clubs - if you had the chance to buy something worth 20 quid for just 5 quid, because the owner didnt realise what he had/didnt have the balls to ask for a good price, would you really pay the proper price anyway. The fault lies at eL clubs for allowing the sale for less than the proper value.
C. saying things like "Premiersh!t" and "Bogball" so on. It seems that, having been marginalised for so long just for being LOI supporters, fans feel it gives them a right to condemn any other fans as idiots, condemn our British based players as "overpaid wasters", and condemn other sports in the way they have condemned ours.
Last edited by osarusan; 16/01/2007 at 9:43 AM.
I'll tell that to Holland and Belgium all representative of countries with European champions and cup winners. By the way Dominic Foley scored again at the weekend....anothe one for you to follow.....
pot calling the kettle black?
In fairness, the views here are obviously those of the minority BUT there is no argument against the fact that people who go to club games every week are better football fans than those who go once a month. Regardless of the teams involved.
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Agree with this except for the word "proper".
For all its problems, eL football is as proper as any other league in the world.
Last edited by osarusan; 16/01/2007 at 9:51 AM.
I'd say that this thread proves there is plenty of arguement about that.
edit: apologies about the double post - i'd merge if i knew how.
Says the man who thought Shane Long was slow.
pot calling the kettle black?
Please God help me. Holland has 15 million people and is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in the world. Belgium has about 11 and is also heavily urbanised. Each has a large number of cities with populations greater than 500,000. Ireland has 1 city that satisfies that criteria.
Do some research before trying to sound clever you only end up supporting my argument when trying to rebuke it.
i said he didnt have searing pace to allow him to make an impact as a young striker in the premiership, extrapolate all you want from that but i dont think it means slow. by the way i had a quick look at that forum and didnt see anything to back up what you said, maybe a few links would be better than us trawling through the site or just trusting you..the general consensus given doyles injury, although a few wanted long to start, was that they should only play lita up front, bring kitson back sooner or transfer someone in. also, how is giving a view on a player off-point and illogical, particularly compared to your post
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