Bohs Accept Ward Bid

[Paddy Garcia]

Incorrect. That's the max the market was allowed to pay, he had a minimum fee clause. I'm sure a Cork fan will explain, if there's one thing this thread needs it's a Dolan debate.

I don't know the detail at all. However the max the market is allowed to pay is entirely differerent to a minimum fee.

Anyway I think Cavan fan is correct. The market is defined by competition. If other clubs were interested at the time the market would have generated a higher price.

[cavan_fan]

Incorrect. That's the max the market was allowed to pay, he had a minimum fee clause. I'm sure a Cork fan will explain, if there's one thing this thread needs it's a Dolan debate.

I'm not sure how the minimum fee clause works but if another club had offered 200,000 could Cork have rejected Reading's offer?

[wws]

I'm not sure how the minimum fee clause works but if another club had offered 200,000 could Cork have rejected Reading's offer?

CAVAN FAN STOP getting hung up on the doyle thing - it was a misleading transfer - which has skewed this debate and cloaked the underlying trend - because of background club politics between opposing parties.
It is not an instructive example - in fact it is now clear in the light of Ward and Molloy's recent moves - to be a totally misleading anomally. By the way - I've seen plenty of Doyle post and pre transfer - there has been no great improvement in his game. We're talking about a player who had reached senior status, played in his national league, played in Europe, played at various international level sides. Theres literally not much you can do with someone like Doyle at his age - he comes "as is" to the game in England and just applied himself and did his stuff as he did previously.

[soccerc]

Not many soccercentral forumites knew about him. Us pats fan did though

Typical Dodge statement.

I can assure you that many old soccercentral forumites knew of Doyle, some of them Pats fans others like EB not.

For the record, while I recognised Doyle had potential I didn't ever think he would have such goalscoring success.

[Calcio Jack]

Has your alter ego never read any of my posts on our forum?


KOH

If I can track him down I'll ask him....

[Irish_Praha]

Typical Dodge statement.

I can assure you that many old soccercentral forumites knew of Doyle, some of them Pats fans others like EB not.

For the record, while I recognised Doyle had potential I didn't ever think he would have such goalscoring success.

Well I have been posting on SC for the last 4.5 years and I knew about him too because I'm from Wexford. Can't say I know him personally but I know his family (ah little Ireland). I admit I didn't take much notice of him when he was at Pats but when he started banging in the goals for Cork and I realised he was from just up the road I always kept and eye out for the Cork results. Like SC I never expected him to be the success that he has been.

As a side note, I totally disagree with the people who say he hasn't improved since leaving Cork. That's bull, he wasn't even 22 when he moved and since then has played a season and a half. Any player getting an extended run of competitive first team football at that age is going to improve.
The argument should be if he would have improved as much if he stayed with Cork - maybe.

[Dodge]

Typical Dodge statement.

I can assure you that many old soccercentral forumites knew of Doyle, some of them Pats fans others like EB not.

For the record, while I recognised Doyle had potential I didn't ever think he would have such goalscoring success.

Relax I was kidding. Just pointing out how his sample of 15 el fans was flawed.

[wws]

Well I have been posting on SC for the last 4.5 years and I knew about him too because I'm from Wexford. Can't say I know him personally but I know his family (ah little Ireland). I admit I didn't take much notice of him when he was at Pats but when he started banging in the goals for Cork and I realised he was from just up the road I always kept and eye out for the Cork results. Like SC I never expected him to be the success that he has been.

As a side note, I totally disagree with the people who say he hasn't improved since leaving Cork. That's bull, he wasn't even 22 when he moved and since then has played a season and a half. Any player getting an extended run of competitive first team football at that age is going to improve.
The argument should be if he would have improved as much if he stayed with Cork - maybe.

YES iRISH Praha - because he never had an extended run of first team football before he left these shores?
I just can be done with some of these posts. They're ludicrous sometimes.

[WeAreRovers]

If I can track him down I'll ask him....

You have mail old chap.

KOH

[republicofwhite]

Getting back to Stephen Ward, he doesn't seem to be an out and out goalscorer... statistically anyway. And haven't heard he's anything outstanding aswell, not someone who warrants a fee totalling 500K anyway. Personallly I think O'Donovan is worth that, he's a class act and the one most capable of doing a Kevin Doyle...

[Dodge]

Getting back to Stephen Ward, he doesn't seem to be an out and out goalscorer... statistically anyway. And haven't heard he's anything outstanding aswell, not someone who warrants a fee totalling 500K anyway. Personallly I think O'Donovan is worth that, he's a class act and the one most capable of doing a Kevin Doyle...

This is the O'Donovan who didn't score for 3 months of the season. Not a world beater either. Standard LOI footballers.

[republicofwhite]

When I mean doing a Doyle, I dont neccessarily mean banging in goals. O'Donovan is more of a winger cum striker then out and out striker anyway isn't he? Its not about goalscoring with him, moreso about pace and and bit of flair. I mean he looks like he could well do a job in England.

[Irish_Praha]

Personallly I think O'Donovan is worth that, he's a class act and the one most capable of doing a Kevin Doyle...

Apparently he has a trial with Celtic lined up. Will there be anydecent players left in the EL by the end of January?

[cavan_fan]

YES iRISH Praha - because he never had an extended run of first team football before he left these shores?
I just can be done with some of these posts. They're ludicrous sometimes.

Praha said any player getting an extended run of football at his age, whcih he cant have had at Cork.

By the way happened to notice this post from you at the time of Doyle's trasnfer.

No. I didn't think that at all. The point you are making makes absolutely no sense. You drew the comparisons with Chelsea/Barca and Cork pal not me. Guess what ? - Chelsea/Barca can and do retain their best players most of the time (figo move accepted if you wanna get technical) - Cork City cant even compete with fcking Reading. Big difference in scale. For both Cork (transfer fee) and Doyle (improvement in his career) the move makes perfect sense. It wont catch on at Barca and Chelsea - cos they are unlikey to be in competion with the likes of Reading when it comes to retaining players (and there arent too many big clubs who can compete with those two either). It will happen at Cork because LoI clubs cannot compete financialy with most UK outfits.

edit: Pete saw your post after i posted - the Doyle and Murphy fees are a reflection of where its at - you might not like it but thats about right.

Just to clarify does that make you racist or an Uncle Tom?

[eirebhoy]

YES iRISH Praha - because he never had an extended run of first team football before he left these shores?
I just can be done with some of these posts. They're ludicrous sometimes.

Come on wws, I think it's pretty clear what Irish_Praha was saying. Of course Doyle has improved as a player since his move from Cork. I'd find it pretty strange if he didn't improve after a year and a half of playing football. Read his post again.

[wws]

Praha said any player getting an extended run of football at his age, whcih he cant have had at Cork.

By the way happened to notice this post from you at the time of Doyle's trasnfer.

No. I didn't think that at all. The point you are making makes absolutely no sense. You drew the comparisons with Chelsea/Barca and Cork pal not me. Guess what ? - Chelsea/Barca can and do retain their best players most of the time (figo move accepted if you wanna get technical) - Cork City cant even compete with fcking Reading. Big difference in scale. For both Cork (transfer fee) and Doyle (improvement in his career) the move makes perfect sense. It wont catch on at Barca and Chelsea - cos they are unlikey to be in competion with the likes of Reading when it comes to retaining players (and there arent too many big clubs who can compete with those two either). It will happen at Cork because LoI clubs cannot compete financialy with most UK outfits.

edit: Pete saw your post after i posted - the Doyle and Murphy fees are a reflection of where its at - you might not like it but thats about right.

Just to clarify does that make you racist or an Uncle Tom?

I'm chuffed you did a trawl through all my posts! Fair play to you.
Btw atko a total racist - too many examples to go into. His comments on Irish people in the McGrath book a revealing insight into his mindset....not that we expected much from the big Desailly fan.

Uncle Toms - "unneccessarily accommodating" - I think it can be applied to certain ludicrous posts on here - I'm not gonna search back through them all tbh.

The post above - I'm guessing is me having a go at Cork City fans or something (hey its what i do - Im a Pats fan) or else making a really great point about the difference between Barca and Reading. God I'm brilliant. I love reading my old posts. They're great, really really great. I nominate your post quoting me as post of the month.

[Irish_Praha]

YES iRISH Praha - because he never had an extended run of first team football before he left these shores?

Gawd do I have to spell it out? My point was that several posters on here have blindly refused to admit that he has improved in the slightest over the last season and a half.

My point was that when he left Cork he was only 21 and a player usually doesn't reach his peak until his mid to late 20's. Granted some players lose form or don't get games and don't get a chance to improve. However, Doyle is on form and playing every week and is still only 23. So logic would say that he is improving.

Basically all I am saying is that he has actually improved because he is older and has more experience - this can be applied to most things. I'm not saying that he has improved just because he moved to an English club. So IMO it is nonsense to say he still the exact same player since he left Cork. He had played 90 games up until then and has played almost 70 games since then.

[wws]

Gawd do I have to spell it out? My point was that several posters on here have blindly refused to admit that he has improved in the slightest over the last season and a half.

My point was that when he left Cork he was only 21 and a player usually doesn't reach his peak until his mid to late 20's. Granted some players lose form or don't get games and don't get a chance to improve. However, Doyle is on form and playing every week and is still only 23. So logic would say that he is improving.

Basically all I am saying is that he has actually improved because he is older and has more experience - this can be applied to most things. I'm not saying that he has improved just because he moved to an English club. So IMO it is nonsense to say he still the exact same player since he left Cork. He had played 90 games up until then and has played almost 70 games since then.

point taken

I mis read your post. Sincere apologies.

[kingdom hoop]

I'm sure doyle has improved as a result of working with coppell, the man who brought ian wright into league football and helped mark bright become a top goalscorer. that point should not be overlooked. unfortunatley its hard to see ward benefiting as much under mick macs tutelage!

[adamcarr]

Apparently he has a trial with Celtic lined up. Will there be anydecent players left in the EL by the end of January?

Eh no! He has rejected a trial at Wolves as he believes he is above going over to some English crowd for a trial, he is right. On Wednesday, there was a quote from him in the Irish Examiner saying that England isn't all that its cracked up to be and he is very happy at Cork City. Unlike most eL players, Roy has no aspirations to go back to England ASAP.

Roy didn't score for the first 5 months of the season but he was then moved up front and got 9 goals in 11 games. IMO, Roy could certainly make as big an impact in England as Doyler and should be given a shot with Ireland.