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He's over there at the moment. Dunno if it is a trial or negotiations.
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Paddy Kavanagh and the man himself.
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West Ham have three keepers the right side of 30 and Green and Walker are quite young. I know Daz is young too but it doesn't look like the right setup for him.
Edit: Actually Walker's an aul fella and Carroll is reported to be having addiction problems, maybe it is a ripe time to challenge for the No.1 spot.
I don't see him breaking into the first team anytime soon as Green is a class keeper, unless Green moves to a better club.
Falkirk are also very interested in Quigley, might be a better move than West Ham, sure it's done Stokes no harm what so ever.
Lets hope it turns out better for him thatn it did for Delaney...
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True. Although Delaney, let's now forget, was very close to making it. Was in discussions about a new contract until they decided they couldn't afford it after being relegated on the last day and was let go. Sunderland were interested but were effectively bankrupt.
What's a more important comparison is that Clive was 23 when he moved, whereas Darren's 20. So worst case scenario is money money money (touch wood!)
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what good is money if players won't sign. You can have all the money you want but I bet you can't attract the top players in the league. This isn't a dig at UCD because I like what they stand for, I just don't think money will get them further. The only way it would work for them is if they built a big stadium but then how do they fill it?
Money won't do any harm though, the club is run on a pretty tight budget.what good is money if players won't sign. You can have all the money you want but I bet you can't attract the top players in the league. This isn't a dig at UCD because I like what they stand for, I just don't think money will get them further. The only way it would work for them is if they built a big stadium but then how do they fill it?
If any or all of the three lads make a name for themselves in England it'll improve the clubs standing with schoolboys and their clubs and make it easier to get the top young players in, which is probably more important.
Young players yes, I agree with you. But loosing your best players for money won't get you any better players, it would have been a lot easier for UCD to sign players this year if they could say they have 2 internationals in the team. Why would players join when they see they best players leaving the club. The kid Finn that you have as well is a handy player I think if you get this year out of him that will be it, he'll be off to. It has to stop at some stage I think UCD has been lucky getting the quality of young players over the last few years.
I agree with you about Finn and the point is true about most of our good players. That's what it is to be a University club. If we tried to compete with the other clubs on the basis of spending money to buy better players we'd pretty quickly end up in the first division or worse. It's a different model to other clubs but it suits us quite well.
That wasn't a dig I totally respect UCD for what they are. I just don't think looking for loads of money for players is the right thing to do for them. Lets say UCD don't let the players in question go, for less than 100k and no english club goes for them. They end up back at home and sitting it out, or UCD let the two lads go and set up some kind of deal that gets them a nice back end. They go away. Young players coming from top schoolboy clubs see this and want to sign for UCD knowing that they have a chance just like Quigley and Dicker. It's a fine line for UCD to get this right do they over price there players for the sake of future players.
thegit, I think Irish football is entering a phase where they won't accept crap money for players any more. UCD can use the extra funds to invest in infrastructure (stadium, advertising, marketing etc.). I don't think the club will hold young players back looking for ridiculous fees, we've never stood in the way of a player who wanted to leave when we were due what was reasonable to the best of my knowledge. Dicker and Quigley are out of contract and if someone won't pay what we want and they decide they want to go to a club then arbitration will sort it out.
I don't think the flow of quality young players has to stop anytime soon. We also have Kenna, Hurley, Sammon and Byrne making an impact and the possibility of Forsyth and others coming through. Mahon and Wallace are constantly looking for more talent to bring through and have a good knowledge of upcoming kids. It's to do with the staff in place. Doolin basically unearthed no one while he was at UCD (maybe just McWalter?).
I didn't think you were having a dig and I agree with you that seeing the lads do well is more important in the long run that getting money but at the same time, if there's the potential for money we should try to get it. We won't be buying any big name players to replace the lads gone but even a small bit of money can go a long way.
It wouldn't do UCD any harm either if the schooboy clubs get their cut. If UCD are to ever grow past the mid table ceiling we're currently hitting it'll be by building stronger links with the local clubs, the students certainly aren't going to start coming to matches in any numbers.
You trying to engineer yourself a free transfer?
Anyway, first off, the fee wouldn't be set by the clubs (unless they agree otherwise). It'd be set by independent arbitration, based on set factors (length of time at the club, wage level, etc). So once it goes to arbitration, both clubs have no choice but to accept this value. (Obviously the buying club can then decide not to buy the player if they want). So it's not a case of us trying to milk things for what they're worth; it's just a case of us getting what we deserve.
Secondly, the player isn't the only party to consider here, as you have ("is the right thing to do for them"). The club has to look after its own interests too. There's no point in the club letting a player go for free because it's good for the player. We want Dicker, Kavanagh and Quigley to play for us next season as well, and so should be compensated if we can't have that.
With regards your other comment, obviously it'd be better to keep the players. I noted that getting money is the worst case scenario, and as worst case scenarios go, it's pretty good. Obviously, you could attract players by saying they'd be playing alongside two U-21 internationals. However, say the two boys go for a combined E200,000 (pure hypothesis here). What can the club then do with that?
(a) - Pay off debts, thereby reducing the costs of servicing these, and freeing up more money for wages
(b) - Increase Pete's wages budget. Say something like put the E200,000 on deposit and transfer E40,000 a year extra for five years guaranteed to the wages budget. For E40,000, you'd get one experienced player who could really move the club along a la Derek Swan/Brian Mooney/Peter Hanrahan did around 2000. Or you might get a better quality of youngster back from England. Either way, club moves up => more prize money => more money on wages => attract better players => sell players for more money => more money. It's a nice circle. Add in extra exposure, extra gates, etc.
(c) - Employ a second full-time staff to work purely on marketing the club. Say pay them E30,000 a year and give them a marketing budget of E10,000 a year. That person can focus purely on getting more people through the turnstiles. Hoped-for effect - increased gates => increased turnover => more money for wages => back to step (b).
So while we'd rather the players stayed, there's a huge benefit to the club in getting in transfer fees for them. E200,000 would be about 40% of our annual turnover in one go, so it could make a huge difference.
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