Kevin Doyle and Pat Dolan

Originally Posted by rebs23

Take the quotation marks away there when you refer to "fans" such as myself who never did buy into the whole Dolan myth.
Does it make you a better fan because this love of yours for Dolan is still going strong? Strange logic there. As for "no man has ever done so much for Cork City", words just fail me.

I hear you man, you just cant articulate a response to that kind of stuff can you !!

Dont believe the hype people.

Originally Posted by Colm

Why do you hate him?
Have you ever met him? Do you know him personally? I do and he's a lovely chap, a complete gentleman. And its worth noting that no other man has ever even come close to doing as much good for Cork City as Pat did, thats an undeniable fact despite what you and some other ''fans'' say.

"No other man"? Would've thought Brian Lennox would be better placed to stake a claim to that honour.

If you removed the words "as much good for" from that sentence, you'd be closer to truth. Next time you see him, ask him about team meals in the Rochestown Lodge Hotel. Bet he changes the subject in ten seconds flat.

Like Dodge, I met him many times while he was with Pats. I s'pose like most Pats fans, I was taken in by him but the mask well and truly slipped in his last year with Pats and he was revealed as a nasty, vindictive man who felt he was above criticism.

Unlike Cork, where Lennox could at least keep him on a leash, there was no-one at Pats to rein in his wilder excesses. So we got the nonsensical failed merger with St.Francis and all that brought in its wake, the biggest squad in the country which we could in no way afford, the registration fiasco (not his fault that it happened, but how it was mis-handled was entirely his fault) and ultimately, the closest brush with relegation Pats had ever faced. A lot of very good people who worked behind the scenes for the club left, either cos they were pushed or cos they couldn't abide dealing with him. He may have put Pats on the map but he damn near wiped us off it too.

As regards his record at Pats, even there you have to separate reality from the Dolan mythology. We won the League under him in 1998. The next year, it was under Liam Buckley. He could've delivered another title in 2002 but the way he approached the registration crisis and p1ssed off the FAI meant that Merrion Square were never gonna let us win it.

Like Dodge, I'm off Dolan's Xmas card list and believe me, it doesn't keep me awake at night.

Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

He may have put Pats on the map

*cough* BRIAN KERR *cough*

Dolan was sacked for undermining the Chairman in the media. In pre season he criticised the inadequate training facilities in the local media was also suppose to have encouraged some players to back him up in the media too. Our chairman saw this as unacceptable as was basically creating excuses for those players for the season ahead. 9 months later the same squad minus best player gone to Reading won the league.

I am sure Dolan is a very personable character who gets on first name basis with fans. In this way he not unlike a cult leader.

City fans mainly don't like him for his part in Doyles move to Reading. Eamonn Dolan works for Reading so doesn't take much to join the dots. Furhermore Dolan is an advisor/manager/agent of Kevin Doyle.

Originally Posted by pete

Dolan was sacked for undermining the Chairman in the media. In pre season he criticised the inadequate training facilities in the local media was also suppose to have encouraged some players to back him up in the media too.

There were also his regular hissy fits and not turning up to critcal meetings and alot more besides i'd say.

I think your question has been answered many times over COlm.

We know you have undying love for Pat, enjoy it, but surely even you were laughing a you wrote the 'no one did more for the club bit'

Originally Posted by Colm

Why do you hate him?
Have you ever met him? Do you know him personally? I do and he's a lovely chap, a complete gentleman. And its worth noting that no other man has ever even come close to doing as much good for Cork City as Pat did, thats an undeniable fact despite what you and some other ''fans'' say.

One wonders sometimes when people are taken in by a scam or some David Koresh type how certain people can be so gullible but I guess Dolan has suckered enough people over the years. Its hilarious though.
He almost bankrupted us and after he was sacked set about his revenge, Reading did not know about the clause nor Shane Long. Not for long they didn't.

Originally Posted by micls

We know you have undying love for Pat, enjoy it, but surely even you were laughing a you wrote the 'no one did more for the club bit'

Don't be too sure, what really went on in the back of that jeep we'll never truly know.

Whatever about Doyle, even the most loyal of Dolanites have admitted that his involvment in Shane Long going to Reading stinks to high heaven. Reading signed a player they'd never heard about.

Then there is the whole issue of who advises the advisor, Pat's buddys at Cork City are the ones who did the real damage not Pat himself.

Originally Posted by razor

One wonders sometimes when people are taken in by a scam or some David Koresh type how certain people can be so gullible but I guess Dolan has suckered enough people over the years. Its hilarious though.
He almost bankrupted us and after he was sacked set about his revenge, Reading did not know about the clause nor Shane Long. Not for long they didn't.

Its geting ridiculous at this stage, its like some "fans" have the Stockholm Syndrome, they should hate the guy but for some strange reason they have a loyalty to a guy where they should completely distrust him.

Originally Posted by SÓC

Then there is the whole issue of who advises the advisor, Pat's buddys at Cork City are the ones who did the real damage not Pat himself.

These are the worst kind of "fans", these guys are doing untold damage ..... and mascarading as supporters of the club too, which is expotentially worst than being a Dolanite.

Originally Posted by SÓC

Whatever about Doyle, even the most loyal of Dolanites have admitted that his involvment in Shane Long going to Reading stinks to high heaven. Reading signed a player they'd never heard about.

When Steve Coppell came over to look at Doyle he noticed Long and decided to sign him.

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

When Steve Coppell came over to look at Doyle he noticed Long and decided to sign him.

That would be the greatest piece of Shane Long related fiction since the "Pat Dolan discovered him" story

Sure Coppel noticed Shane. He must have been very impressed by the way he sat in the stand...


...Coppel never saw Long play for Cork City, Cork City fans barely saw him play, save for a few minutes against Bray. Shane wasnt near our first team at the time and sure even by his own admission Coppel was langerz when he saw Doyle play

Originally Posted by SÓC

Sure he did...


...Coppel never saw Long play for Cork City, Cork City fans barely saw him play, save for a few minutes against Bray. Shane wasnt near our first team at the time and sure even by his own admission Coppel was langerz when he saw Doyle play

Well if it wasn't Coppell it was someone else from Reading.

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Well if it wasn't Coppell it was someone else from Reading.

Maybe it was the guy who is in charge of their academy...http://www.readingfc.premiumtv.co.uk...,10306,00.html

...but then again like I say he wouldnt have seen him play for Cork City FC in the eircom League and given they were so unsure about Doyle it seems bizzare. They would not have noticed Shane while looking at Doyler

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Well if it wasn't Coppell it was someone else from Reading.

At ... Straws .... clutching

Originally Posted by A face

At ... Straws .... clutching

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...6208_2,00.html

Page 2, about half way down.

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...6208_2,00.html

Page 2, about half way down.

Ahh .... ..... when i answered you post, i was answering to the semantics of it. Someone already in this post said that there is no way that someone could have seen Long in a competitive game without getting an inside track from someone, namely Dolan.

Bare in mind City fans would have heard of Long in the U21s to a certain extent. There is NO WAY Reading did, Liam Murphy and Stewart Ashton are looking after U21s. You must remember, City fans have been over this so many times. You can try and wangle any old sort of story or series of events but it doesn't hold any water. Everything points to Dolan, and no amount of apologists will change that.

Your link to that article proved my point .... or did you post that intentionally? Did you have a change of heart? You're not very good at debating your point i'm guessing.

Is there Colmesque defenders of Dolan in Inchicore?

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...6208_2,00.html

Page 2, about half way down.

Originally Posted by Risteard

Is there Colmesque defenders of Dolan in Inchicore?

DmanDmythDledge, are you winding man? seriously ... are you taking the píss ??

Originally Posted by Risteard

Is there Colmesque defenders of Dolan in Inchicore?

Yep. Remember he did far more good for our club than yours. Far more bad too, which is why is he's hated more in Inchicore too.

Originally Posted by Colm

Why do you hate him?
Have you ever met him? Do you know him personally? I do and he's a lovely chap, a complete gentleman. And its worth noting that no other man has ever even come close to doing as much good for Cork City as Pat did, thats an undeniable fact despite what you and some other ''fans'' say.

Dead right.I have met Pat too and he is a true gent.