QuoteDoes this just apply in Limerick or is it all over the country??Originally Posted by Old keeper
Any Senior player who regrades to play in a junior league is not eligible to sign for any senior club until the second transfer window of the next season so about 18 months is right. So Derek is with pike for a while
"When faced with total negativity, a smile is a weapon of mass destruction"
Does this just apply in Limerick or is it all over the country??
Also, he must be forgetting that if he plays in the FAI junior cup this season he is cup-tied for the senior cup next season because the four jnuior semi-finalists now qualify for the senior competition. This came up a couple of seasons ago for Cherry orchard who had signed players from other junior/intermediate clubs and couldn't play them in the FAI senior second round.I found this on a google search from the Irish Times in January 2003. I know it refers to the intermediate cup but the junior cup is also now a qualifying competition.
From The Irish Times:
Leinster Senior League club Cherry Orchard continue to be frustrated by the FAI's refusal to legally allow them field a full side in their FAI Senior Cup second round tie with fellow non-league side St Mochta's on Saturday, July 26th.
The complication is such that the Ballyfermot club may pull out of the competition.
The famous nursery club are particularly affected by the FAI's insistence that players who played for other clubs in last season's FAI Intermediate Cup are cup-tied for this season's FAI Senior Cup as the Intermediate Cup is a pre-qualifying tournament for the non-National League teams.
Fellow intermediate side Belgrove are also heavily affected by the ruling while National League Premier Division side St Patrick's Athletic are unhappy that three of their pre-season signings - Keith Dunne, Keith Fahy and Anthony Murphy, who played in the Intermediate Cup last season - are also ineligible.
Cherry Orchard make the valid point that this is a new season and that the rule is particularly unfair on them because players from their second team, whom they could use, would then be ineligible to play in the FAI Junior Cup next season.
As Cherry Orchard have made eight new signings from other intermediate clubs during their close season, manager Paul O'Brien has only eight eligible players, according to the FAI Senior Cup ruling.
"We have been backed into a corner by this," said O'Brien. "We have three options open to us. One is to simply pull out of the competition which is something we don't want to do as it's the blue riband and a great opportunity for players to play in the FAI Senior Cup, an opportunity they may never have again.
"The second option is to play St Mochta's with just eight players. In that situation I would have to play an outfield player in goal as my new 'keeper is cup-tied.
"The third option is to draft seven of our Saturday side into the first team squad and play them and wait and see what action the FAI take on that.
"We are an amateur club and released all our players at the end of last season. To make players available for the FAI Cup 2003 we had to re-register players at the end of May, which we did.
"We were told that the only stipulation regarding new signings was that they had to be signed 14 days before the FAI Cup match.
"We replaced players and are now told that if we go by the FAI ruling in regard to the FAI Senior Cup we have only eight eligible players.
"The logical step for us is to pick seven players from our second team to make up a squad. But that has also been taken out of our hands as we've been told by the FAI that if we play our junior players they will lose their junior status and will not be eligible to play in the FAI Junior Cup and Leinster Junior Cup this coming season.
"That ruling only affects intermediate clubs and doesn't affect Portmarnock, for example, who are a junior club.
"As the only junior club in the FAI Senior Cup, Portmarnock have been given special dispensation on that particular ruling.
"All the FAI have said to us in relation to us possibly pulling out of the competition is that if that is what we have to do then go ahead and do it."
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
This is an FAI rule that allpies to ALL clubs in every League anywhere in the republic (and probably Derry)
"When faced with total negativity, a smile is a weapon of mass destruction"
guerin and ryan to balla
Again a very foolish move IF they have. Again this is a rumour that Balla persons have been putting around for some time now. But if they have signed then best of luck to both of them.
Heard from one of the senior limerick players that ryan was training with the squad last nite.
you were saying allyb??? another junior person told me that upto five of the players had signed with Fairview. Again its all tabloid unsettling stuff but poorly played.
Who gives a toss anyway if all they are doing is training? They do need to train after all, and it is a good sign that they want to keep fit.
There is still the matter of who holds the players registrations to consider. At present these would all be held by Limerick FC, licence or not.
lads told by an fai man today that there would be no senior soccer in limerick this year hope this is not true
Was his name john delaney?a bit early to proclaim anything from any FAI person at this early stage as the 15th of this month is the deadline for applicants. But in saying that the odds of having a successful applicant with a team and up to date facilties and more in only 1 month is pushing it a little.
i was sayin davy and jossy are signing, think they signed tonight!
fair enough best of luck to both of them
Does nobody on here understand the FAI Club Licensing criteria on stadium and facilities? For a Division 1 license, you hardly need to have anything in place at all, as long as you have concrete verifiable plans to build them!
READ THE MANUAL!!! It's on the FAI website.
The relevant details are laid out in easy-to-follow tables on pages 36-74 (that might seem like a lot of pages, but it's mostly blank space
). In fact, it's amazing what they'll let Div.1 clubs away with, as long as they have a proper CIDP (Club Infrastructure Development Plan)! The plan can be spread over a number of years, but must be reviewed each year.
So, as long as whatever club in Limerick is content to play in Div.1 for a few seasons, everything should be okay on the infrastructure front for the time being.
Anyway, without knowing anything about the other expressions of interest, it seems to me that Soccer Limerick would represent the best scenario for the long term development of football in Limerick and the surrounding regions. In fact, virtually every stakeholder in the game is represented in Soccer Limerick... except the supporters
This is the most important thing to be discussed at the upcoming meeting: what role the supporters are going to play in the new club.
Last edited by gombean; 09/01/2007 at 10:42 PM.
I agree. That should be the focus.
The difficulty of course for us, as supporters, is again a lack of information on the competing bids - or ven in your case regarding Soccer Limerick. That is, who is involved, what are the plans, etc etc. I think you'll find most LFC supporters reasonable, positive people who really just want t a team to support and be proud of. In a sense we are looking at the supporters buying a pig in a poke. The decision is made by the FAI with the clubs and there is no requirement to share information with the general public or supporters - yet we are expected to turn up in MArch and hand over money to watch and cheer.
Then again LFC fans are used to being sold pigs in pokes, I think the supporters club nickname should be the mushrooms (althouugh I am mixing too many metaphors here).
Sorry if this seems negative - its not - but I think the Soccer Limerick bid would be hugely improved if the supporters of senior soccer were involved and they can get involved only if they know what is planned.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
ye need more than them
Your right in every aspect gombean all the club or whatever entity needs is a plan and you have a licence. As for the supporters club i hope to have someone at the meeting from any consortium i can find to show how the SC can be rep in it. However if the members in the supporters club are just going to go to games and do shag all else there really is no point asking for representation. So if your comming to the meeting/or want to join later etc be prepaired to get involved in the day to day and match day running of events.Does nobody on here understand the FAI Club Licensing criteria on stadium and facilities? For a Division 1 license, you hardly need to have anything in place at all, as long as you have concrete verifiable plans to build them!
READ THE MANUAL!!! It's on the FAI website.
The relevant details are laid out in easy-to-follow tables on pages 36-74 (that might seem like a lot of pages
So, as long as whatever club in Limerick is content to play in Div.1 for a few seasons, everything should be okay on the infrastructure front for the time being.
Anyway, without knowing anything about the other expressions of interest, it seems to me that Soccer Limerick would represent the best scenario for the long term development of football in Limerick and the surrounding regions. In fact, virtually every stakeholder in the game is represented in Soccer Limerick... except the supporters
This is the most important thing to be discussed at the upcoming meeting: what role the supporters are going to play in the new club.
how can they sign when jossy has a year left and davy has 3 years left....
Huge Transfer Fees??
According to RTE, Soccer Limerick are meeting tonight to make a decision as to whether or not they will apply for a League Licence. If they decide not to do so then it looks like curtains for senior football in Limerick. So far they seem to be the only confirmed group who have expressed an interest in applying for a licence. If they do apply then it would be good to have a representative from them at the supporters' meeting.
If you don't like John 3:7...
There's always Limerick 37!
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