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[pineapple stu]

Must be a Shels fan point of view. I think it'll increase greatly.

I can't see it at present, to be honest. Look at the list of players who have left the league at the moment - Seán Dillon from Shels, Danny Murphy from Cork, Trevor Molloy and Paul Keegan from Pat's, Pat Kavanagh from UCD, David Forde from Derry, Dean Fitzgerald (Longford), and that's before you look at the likes of Gary Dicker, Darren Quigley, a fair chunk of what's left at Shels, those players (Stephen O'Brien, Jim Crawford, Vinny Arkins, etc) who have retired and of course Stephen Kenny as a manager. From the transfers thread, we've only got Brian Murphy, Mikko Vilmunen coming into the league from outside, as well then as youth players. So overall, I would say more quality has left the league than has joined it at present, which would point to a decreased quality next season. But not enough to have Shels anywhere near challenging for the title, with another player gone today.

Pat's will be improved, for example, but only because they're taking from Shels, so overall, there's no change for the league.

[Raheny Red]

(Stephen O'Brien, Jim Crawford, Vinny Arkins, etc) who have retired

Where did you hear that

[Dodge]

Crawford more than likely going to Rovers AFAIK.

And of those players mentioned only Dillon could be considered top class. I'd be fairly certain the others could be replaced easily enough

[pineapple stu]

Where did you hear that

Thought I'd heard it; maybe I'm wrong. Apologies so, though it doesn't change my point

I'd be fairly certain the others could be replaced easily enough

Could be replaced, but haven't yet. Which is kind of the point. Anything could happen.

[The Sheliban]

Must be a Shels fan point of view. I think it'll increase greatly.

I'm not saying the quality will decline because Shels are in decline. I actually think the quality of football was better when Cork won the League the year before. Then we had two or three teams playing football. If (when?) Shels goalscoring dries up this year, I think we could expect a lot of low-quality goalless draws and 1-0 wins. Too many teams seem to feel, and God knows perhaps they are right, that their only chance of success is by boring and frustrating the other team, a sort of a football rope-a-dope.

[SligoBrewer]

I can't see it at present, to be honest. Look at the list of players who have left the league at the moment - Seán Dillon from Shels, Danny Murphy from Cork, Trevor Molloy and Paul Keegan from Pat's, Pat Kavanagh from UCD, David Forde from Derry, Dean Fitzgerald (Longford), and that's before you look at the likes of Gary Dicker, Darren Quigley, a fair chunk of what's left at Shels, those players (Stephen O'Brien, Jim Crawford, Vinny Arkins, etc) who have retired and of course Stephen Kenny as a manager. From the transfers thread, we've only got Brian Murphy, Mikko Vilmunen coming into the league from outside, as well then as youth players. So overall, I would say more quality has left the league than has joined it at present, which would point to a decreased quality next season. But not enough to have Shels anywhere near challenging for the title, with another player gone today.

Pat's will be improved, for example, but only because they're taking from Shels, so overall, there's no change for the league.

is on the pfai list 37 next year

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well if Shels go belly up there will only be four teams in Dublin, Bohs, Pats. UCD and Rovers.

[BohsPartisan]

1) Drogheda Utd
2) Derry City
3) Bohemian F.C.
4) St. Pats
5) Cork City
6) Sligo Rvs
7) Shamrock Rovers
8) UCD
9) Galway
10) Bray
11) Longford
12) Shels

[desaintsno.12]

1) Drogheda Utd
2) Derry City
3) PATS
4) Cork
5) Bohs
6) UCD
7) Sligo Rovers
8) Bray
9) Galway
10) Shamrocks
11) Shels
12) Longford

[pineapple stu]

Here's how Ladbrokes see things. From p 281 of Aertel -

2 Shelbourne
10/3 Cork City
5/2 Derry City
5 Drogheda Utd
10 Bohemians
10 Shamrock Rvs
25 Sligo Rovers
28 Galway Utd
28 St Patricks Ath
40 Longford Town
50 UCD
100 Bray Wanderers

The fact that they have Shels as favourites and, to a lesser extent, us to finish second last tells me they haven't a clue really. Some good value there, especially on Derry and Drogheda. Evens on Drogs to finish top three is free money, I think.

[Poor Student]

If they believe Shels are the favourites for the league then what odds would you get on them getting relegated?

[DmanDmythDledge]

I'd be more worried about Rover's and Galway's odds.

Pats each way looks like a great bet.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Paddy Power odds:

Derry City 2 - 1
Drogheda United 3 - 1
Cork City 4 - 1
Shelbourne 9 - 2
Bohemians 8 - 1
St Patrick's Athletic 20 - 1
Sligo Rovers 40 - 1
Shamrock Rovers 40 - 1
UCD 50 - 1
Galway United 66 - 1
Bray Wanderers 66 - 1
Longford Town 80 - 1
Each way odds 1 / 5 places 3

Stan James

[GuisaSaigon]

1-Drogheda Utd
2-Derry City
3-Pats
4-Cork City
5-Bohs
6-Galway United
7-Shamrock Rovers
8-Bray Wanderers
9-UCD
10-Shligo Rovers
11-Shels
12-Longford Town

[pineapple stu]

Paddy Power odds:

Derry City 2 - 1
Drogheda United 3 - 1
Cork City 4 - 1
Shelbourne 9 - 2
Bohemians 8 - 1
St Patrick's Athletic 20 - 1
Sligo Rovers 40 - 1
Shamrock Rovers 40 - 1
UCD 50 - 1
Galway United 66 - 1
Bray Wanderers 66 - 1
Longford Town 80 - 1
Each way odds 1 / 5 places 3

That's more like it, although Shels are still far too high up.

[Terry]

Defintely worth putting an each way bet on Pats now, what would I get for shels to be relegated?

[sligoman]

What are the odds on Longford to be relegated? Prob crap though

[DmanDmythDledge]

You can't get odds on relegation.